A Soldiers Christmas

[Jones]

thread sux

[Singularity]

thread sux

Agreed, even the high school grade rhetorics don't make up for it.

Too bad a charity thread got turned into a generalizing flame war

[Izor]

You wouldnt be in Sweden tomorrow at 0600 because Sweden hasnt done anything hostile to you recently, nor have extremist groups that come from Sweden

[FarScape]

Yes, very smart of you to bring in the second world war, because it's a school example of how soldiers are used as tools by propaganda and nationalism.
Germany in the forties is an example of a country that highly valued militarism and heroism. Not to mention that it had an ideological leader, which is very common in countries that are in a depression.

Thats the point Zerzera. army is a tool of the leadership of a country to deliver security or attack force (depend what the purpose is).
Because you can not relay on other nations and civilizations to not attack you, you need an army and support it (like you said, its circular).

since you don't live in a world where all the nations doesn't have armies, the least you can do is support your own army, but change your leadership.
thats why tyrant are very dangerous, and its only for the best that US is getting ride of them. you do not hear what they do in their own homeland.

What i learned was that WW2 was a result of WW1 which was started because a single person was shot. Someone might argue not starting a war back in 1914 but negotiationg would have been a better way to go.

Don't know where you learned that about WW2, but thats total bullshit.
Hitler had a whole point of view about races and how thing should be in the world, in 'Mein kampf' that he wrote. After WW1 tho, Germany was in a very bad economical situation, It helped Hitler take the leadership (and moving the wheels of war, It also raised the production and economical status of Germany, so he had public support).

anyway, don't ignore history since it was not long ago, and our world still goes by the resoults of what happened then.

[Izor]

Farscape...theres really no point in arguing with these kids I've given up on my long winded posts long ago. You see, I am a man of action. Most of the whiners here, and even my former self that would sit here posting and arguing about dumb shit all day are just that - whiners. You can sit here having a discussion all day about whats right and whats wrong, but when it comes down to it, no one of importance cares what anyone here thinks. It puts my mind at ease to know that europe doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things, because when all is said and done no matter how much all of you hate what we are doing, all you're going to do is whine at us to stop it. Zerzera is one of the best examples of this. He hates what I do, and whines about it constantly, but I'm still going to continue doing it as though he doesnt exist. I dont need to change his mind...he's not important. Therefore, I win the argument every time. And until you want to do something to support your own cause, you might as well just not even talk about it on here. Period.

[Ayano]

I might be delusional to think that a world without soldiers would be a world without war, but you are delusional to think that supporting soldiers will make the world any better, especially when their superiors are using them for wrong causes.

Your logic is flawed and I did not mention once that supporting soldiers will somehow magically make the world a safer place. Stop stuffing words in my mouth to twist the situation to your favor. First off, That allusion to my friend I used as an example, the rest was me shocked that you could be so obscure and single minded. Free will and responsibility cannot always find themselves hand in hand as you noted that 'all human beings are responsible for their own actions'. If you're a customer service rep, you need to tolerate the jackasses that come through; if you're a soldier, you'll need to follow orders. I already elaborated on this so if you think that makes them 'mindless' or willful mercenaries for hire, you've a deficiency for thought relation.

Soldiers need to be respected for their commitment to serve their country through both the bad and good. If Armies questioned every decision for themselves, then we'd have Nigeria. Think of it as a governmental agency which serves the country by serving the current administration. The EPA sure didn't like bush's rejection of Kyoto, but they continued to operate on the administration's decisions. Think of it like Britain's Whitehall, the military is no different.

Edit: Tell me, do you also disrespect those soldiers that died in the defense of your nation?

Agreed, even the high school grade rhetorics don't make up for it.

Your cynicism is ironic to your posting, why post here then? feel better on the internets?

[Mantra-Slider]

aw n0ah wouldnt want to attack me! :wub:

[Hero*]

pretty sure ww2 started when germany invaded poland and france and great britain were like 'woah fuck that shit, we're not letting you take more land'. (they already took sudentland or w.e that shits called in czech. hense the munich agreement. anyways, Canada basically won the war woooo. donate! support the troops!
THUS THE BEGINNING OF WW2.

[Fluffz]

Don't know where you learned that about WW2, but thats total bullshit.

i dont have time to educate you, was an important factor in the outbreak of World War II. also if you want to learn a lesson from History learn this: The invasion of Serbia as revenge for the terrorist act against Franz Ferdinand's life ultimatly lead to WWI, WWII and the cold war.

Your logic is flawed and I did not mention once that supporting soldiers will somehow magically make the world a safer place. Stop stuffing words in my mouth

YOUR logic seems flawed because either you support them and it makes the world a better place or you support them and it makes the world a worse place. either you are a retard or you do believe your support will somehow magically make the world a safer place. But dont worry, just like you i also think Zerz assumed the wrong thing.

[FarScape]

You don't not to educate me, thank you.
What started the WW2 in Europe was Germany invasion of Poland and Japan expansionism in the east.
WW1 prepared the ground for those events (for example, The rise of USSR, Nazis, The coalitions to regain what lost in WW1, The situation in Europe).
One of the reasons the Germans hated the Jewish was because the Nazis blamed them for the situation that Germany got into after The WW1, if not even losing the war itself.

If you meant that, then I agree with you completely.

[Fluffz]

me: WW2 was a result of WW1
you: thats total bullshit
me: no it isnt
you: WW1 prepared the ground for WW2
me: wait, what the hell is your point again?

[FarScape]

Thought you meant that WW2 was more of continuity of WW1, but it was my bad i guess... :fear:

[Lizard Fuel]

As the thread creator am I allowed to request that it be closed? I only wanted to open a few eyes and have them pointed at what I feel to be a worthy cause. All this garbage about WWII and treason, and "my beliefs are better than your beliefs" really are not welcome here. So please save what little dignity this topic has left and close it.

Note: Nice link Wax.

[Zerzera]

I want to thank the troops for all that they've done for me. I have been very, very, very silly.

I respect every soldier, but my friend Peter who served in Afghanistan and came back as a different person. I guess he didn't have a spine after all.

This was the last time I advocated peace and reason to anyone.

To make up for my mistakes the next elections I will vote for the Wilders party.

That's no joke.

[Zerzera]

And I want to quote something from one of the strangest books I've ever read.

And Rostov got up and went wandering among the campfires, dreaming of what happiness it would be to die— not in saving the Emperor’s life (he did not even dare to dream of that), but simply to die before his eyes. He really was in love with the Tsar and the glory of the Russian arms and the hope of future triumph. And he was not the only man to experience that feeling during those memorable days preceding the battle of Austerlitz: nine tenths of the men in the Russian army were then in love, though less ecstatically, with their Tsar and the glory of the Russian arms.