A Soldiers Christmas

[Izor]

You only get to die once, and it is going to happen eventually anyway. Whats wrong with wanting to die knowing you gave everything you have in support of what you believe in?

[Mantra-Slider]

but isnt that the main topic people have been discussing? that the soldiers doesnt (or shouldnt) believe in the cause they are fighting..

[Zerzera]

but isnt that the main topic people have been discussing? that the soldiers doesnt (or shouldnt) believe in the cause they are fighting..

No, I was alone in that.

[Galleleo]

My point was (taliban/saddam) is that the only reason America is and was in Afghanistan and Iraq right now is because of people they themselves put into power and now have to clean up their own shit.

Obviously there is always gonna be good and bad (though it depends on the point of view, lots of people see America as the bad guys and their selves as the good guys)

[FarScape]

My point was (taliban/saddam) is that the only reason America is and was in Afghanistan and Iraq right now is because of people they themselves put into power and now have to clean up their own shit.

Obviously there is always gonna be good and bad (though it depends on the point of view, lots of people see America as the bad guys and their selves as the good guys)

They rebuild the countries. Funny how people blame USA, even tho the terror acts are done by Islamic terrorists.
USA will eventually do damage to themselves by helping other nations get democracy. Al-Qaidia say Imperialism conquerer and people here actually buy it. Its a huge influential danger, that will cause other huge worse civilizations to rise (China).

[Galleleo]

I think you missed my point Farscape.

My point was, the only reason Osama has such a powerful organisation is because America supplied them weapons and training, etc. to fight the Russians.

The only reason Saddam was in power in Iraq was because America put him in Charge in Iraq cause back then it was best for America.

And after all these years Osama attacks (I still have not seen proof of this) America, while he might not have been as powerful without Americas aid in the first place, and now America had to go to clean up their own shit in Afghanistan.

After all these years, suddenly Saddam being in power in Iraq did not work out as good anymore for the US, so now they had to go to Iraq to clean up their own shit.

That was my point.

And the whole: Yeah no we go there to rebuild countries. I don't buy that shit anymore from the US. The ones who are rebuilding Afghanistan right now are more UN troops than American troops. And I am sure that in a couple of years America expects the UN to step in to rebuild Iraq too.

And China is a worse civilization than what? To be honest, I still think the whole 9/11 stuff is very shady (not saying the US did it, but there are still questions that remain unanswered and some shady stuff going on). Then again, I dont really care enough to go investigate it, or whatever.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Uh, dude, China's pretty bad.

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/chn-summary-eng

I'm not saying America's awesome, but China's pretty f'ing bad.

[Izor]

The ones who are rebuilding Afghanistan right now are more UN troops than American troops.

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[Zerzera]

nevermind, that was lame :P

[Zerzera]

helping other nations get democracy.

Can you really help other nations getting a democracy? Do you have any examples of this?
And is a democracy the safest form of government in every country? What if the majority of people in a country have a feeling of hatred towards another country? Having a democratic leader would mean they would go to war.
America surely wouldn't allow a democracy in every country if that was the case.

And besides that, for some countries a democratic government would mean an undemocratic government. If you believe in a God and believe that leaders are put in place by God, you wouldn't want a democracy. And you especially wouldn't want a foreign army to occupy your land and install a 'democratic government' that is friendly with them.

[Fluffz]

And besides that, for some countries a democratic government would mean an undemocratic government. If you believe in a God and believe that leaders are put in place by God, you wouldn't want a democracy. And you especially wouldn't want a foreign army to occupy your land and install a 'democratic government' that is friendly with them.

this is where i have to disagree. It might be considered a western Morale, but Human Rights and the philosopy of Ethic shoult be spread around the globe. Lets not forget who ruled these countries before America, their Philosopy was hate and fear. If THIS would have been the origin of this war AND if there would not be 100 better ways to accomplish a change i would totaly support the war and show respect for every solidier fighting in it. however the US started a new crusade instead in the name of fear, oil and hate. The only one i can respect in a war like this is the one that refuses to fight.

[Noah]

You can't impose one culture on the rest of the world.

Every culture has its pros and cons, and all you ever hear about the other cultures is how bad its cons are. We find stuff that goes against western views in all other cultures in the world, and through those things we judge an entire culture as "wrong".

[Galleleo]

Uh, dude, China's pretty bad.

http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/chn-summary-eng

I'm not saying America's awesome, but China's pretty f'ing bad.

If you see where China is coming from.. they have already made some headway IMO, they do seem to be working on themselves as a country.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Please explain your views on this--other than developing themselves financially, how is China evolving politically/socially?

[Galleleo]

To develop yourself socially, you have to develop yourself economically first. If you don't develop yourself economically you can't create the jobs needed, certainly for such a huge population as in China.

China has had to change a lot politically to develop itself economically (a more capitalistic system). Obviously it is not a western country and there is still human rights violation going on. But what do you expect, it used to be an extremely communistic country, strictly governed. It is incredibly huge, with an incredibly huge population. To change that around will take a lot, but really a lot of years. It means changing the mindset of the older population (usually those in charge), maybe even takes a whole generation to really make steps. But I think they have been trying to make changes.

Yes I don't do extensive research into China and their practices, I don't spend days on the internet reading up on all kinds of sources. But I do not expect China to suddenly be all awesome, they didnt start that long ago with their changes. I also feel that the Olympics next year are gonna make a huge difference, economically but also politically and socially. Cause the IOC has made some demands on that basis too.