School Shooting in Tusby, Finland

[Deductable]

like a bunch of young finns today, out on the town on saturday night, drunk as fuck, doing drugs at the tender age of 10... but i guess that in no way reflects on the parents?

Anyways yes I was in that kind of crowd when I was 10 and no I never had the urge to kill anyone and no I don't collect welfare checks.. I work in one of the best companies of my line of work in finland #3 last year and well I turned out fine... Yeah my parents were there but I had to make decisions on my own also so when a fucking 22 year old bastard from a piss ant town starts shooting ppl then rly don't blame the parenting or music or movies or the video games because there is something much more fucked up in his head than just a bad childhood. But honestly how the hell can you tell that a person close to you is gonna go on a killing spree if they have been allways a bit strange... you just can't plain and simple

P.s

Still kids if you feel the need to go on a killing spree start it by shooting your self in the head ty

[Zerzera]

Do I believe that a majority, if not all, of such government intervention produces more problems than solutions? Absolutely.

Dude, we get it, you are an anarchist. People will shoot eachother less when there is no government just like in the 'wild west'.

[Galleleo]

The reason Finland has so much guns is hunting right?

So why do you need handguns like the kind that guy used? Hunting is done with hunting rifles no?

I did hear your prime minister wants a ban on handguns, so personally I think that is a good thing. You only need hunting rifles if you wanna go hunting, not handguns.

[Doc Flabby]

The reason Finland has so much guns is hunting right?

So why do you need handguns like the kind that guy used? Hunting is done with hunting rifles no?

I did hear your prime minister wants a ban on handguns, so personally I think that is a good thing. You only need hunting rifles if you wanna go hunting, not handguns.

We had a similar ban in the UK after this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

Gun crime and gun related deaths has risen substantially since then. But we have had no more school shootings.

Not sure what that tells you.

[Displaced]

small calibre handguns i.e. .22's are used at shooting ranges, they aren't for hunting, but for target practise or competitive shooting.

as for hunting with sidearms, my dad has a smith and wesson 9mm that is used to hunt Lynx, but generally hunting is done with shotguns and rifles.

[Ayano]

True Ayano, we could work it up to 100 per tragedy at some point in the future.

Have you ever owned a fire arm? Most citizens who legally own, and have a long history with responsible gun ownership have the lowest percent of gun related incidents (from misdemeanors to felonies) than those without in assault alone.

Getting a concealed weapon's permit is a much more strenuous process than getting a gun license. There are numerous background checks and psychological evaluations. Obviously you may end up with some who are not as experienced with a firearm, but This is why I'm supporting a long history check in applying for a concealed permit. Especially registering it with the campus so it'll be known who's carrying a weapon to the administration, but not the students (it's concealed after all). Open carry is just ridiculous, penalties are issued for open carry, or failed concealment.

Why not better arm the security detail? Rubber bullets?
"When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away"



What more comfort does a killer need than to know all his potential victims are helpless.

[Kolar]

I am all for campus police being better trained and possibly being armed with non-lethal alternatives but when people "pop" like this there's little that can be done. These kind of people are looking to end their life and take as many people with them as possible. Arming yourself isn't the answer, there has to be prevention and help at the very bottom, people need know how to deal with their problems and the community/family has to be open to helping them.
Odds are that if this happened tomorrow in a coffee shop or a mall the people would be just as helpless. It's just another variable in the mix, a very unstable and unpredictable variable that has the potential to get more people killed or injured.

[Cops]

I found it kind of shocking to learn that Finland has 2 Million guns with a population of 5 Million, just as shocking as the age a person can legally attain a gun in Finland... 15.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Dude, we get it, you are an anarchist. People will shoot eachother less when there is no government just like in the 'wild west'.

When I hear people say over-simplified and/or ludicrous things, I tend to spend a little more time than I should trying to describe and explain the view.

That being said, reducing the anarchist viewpoint on gun control down to an equally over-simplified and/or ludicrous statement is no better.

I say this because I don't feel like going into depth about how and why you're wrong, but you should know you are wrong.

edit: a little depth. I read a very interesting article 2 days ago by a psychologist who made some very interesting comments. She noted that the process of "fight-or-flight" is a process in which the brain, knowing it must act or think quickly, then reduces a bunch of otherwise complex and multiple ideas and concepts into a quick, two-choice step (in the case of "fight-or-flight", it's usually "stay" or "go", for example).

I thought about it for awhile and sure enough, the next day I went to open up the shop. On the way in I picked up the local paper on the doorstop and the headline was screaming something along the lines of "BUSH: PASS BAILOUT OR FACE DEEP RECESSION", and it struck me as odd - that out of all the infinite solutions and possibilities, it was that one, exact plan that would stave of a recession? I don't even think you have to be me to think that maybe, just maybe, the government hasn't exactly extensively mastered and studied this problem... and maybe, just maybe, this legislation is probably not 'the' solution. But it seems to be a trend Bush uses - and exploits - very well. Don't you remember "you're with us, or against us"?

I think the psychologist raised a very good point. She proposes that modern life has become so quick-paced that our brain, in the interest of saving time, tends to reduce otherwise complex things down to simple choices or concepts. It's the equivalent of using Wikipedia to try to learn about, say, Nietzsche - yeah you might get the basics, but there's so, so, so much more.

I don't know how much that actually plays into why people often have reduced things down to either/or, but it's the first time I've ever really vocalized and become aware of something I've never stopped to think about but often notice, which is: People over-simplify things that, quite frankly, shouldn't be. Like abortion, it's always either/or yet everyone knows the issue is incredibly more complex than that.

I understand the need to simplify many things down to simple concepts - imagine trying to explain to someone how you feel instead of using the simple word "love". But it also seems like people have forgotten that under some seemingly simple concepts is a plethora of ideas and other concepts that need to be considered.

So when I say "anarchy", people say "what? no government? that's just ludicrous." That was the position of quite a few people on these forums, but I think I have shown that anarchy isn't quite "no government" - it is, but you now see the many, many, many, many, many, many ideas that underly that conclusion. (This doesn't mean that I know alot or that I'm correct, it just shows the different ways in which someone else and I would see the phrase "no government".)

Anyways, yeah, I took an adderall today so I could set up our stores new server/computer/cash register/cash register/credit card machine and so this is something I've been thinking about, all day. Sorry for an edit that's longer than the post... but I think you might see why?

edit II: governments, by nature, must reduce complex issues to simple ones - so politicians can talk to generally less-educated masses, and congress can pass a bill without too much time-wasting. Does this, perhaps, mean that by its very nature a government can never, ever truly reach real solutions? I think these are things that many people, anarchist or not, might find intriguing.

[Jerome Scuggs]

I found it kind of shocking to learn that Finland has 2 Million guns with a population of 5 Million, just as shocking as the age a person can legally attain a gun in Finland... 15.

Dude, that might be one of the reasons those guys are not so gung-ho about murder. That looks like some pretty horrifying odds for a would-be criminal...

[Jeenyuss]

[royCE]

Have guns, travel Finland.

[The Unliked One...]

Have guns, travel Finland.

I see what you did there...

[Zerzera]

When I hear people say over-simplified and/or ludicrous things, I tend to spend a little more time than I should trying to describe and explain the view.

That being said, reducing the anarchist viewpoint on gun control down to an equally over-simplified and/or ludicrous statement is no better.

I say this because I don't feel like going into depth about how and why you're wrong, but you should know you are wrong.

Just because you are stuck in the mindset you got from a book of fiction doesn't mean that you should apply your liberal view on every facet of daily life. And did you ever hear of the term GIGO or SISO? You are using the American government as proof for your ideology.
I believe Epi pointed out before that you aren't very thoroughly when it comes to finding and studying evidence on certain matters because you draw a straight line through anything that has to do with the government and the people in power. Because you don't agree with their economical decisions, they must be wrong with the other policies too. Oh your government is so bad.
At least these policies made it able for your country to prosper, they tried to make as much money for the people.
You, and Atlas Shrugged, are the embodiment of oversimplification, so please don't turn things around.

[Ayano]

Zerz. It's not just about owning a gun being the sheer detriment that would supposedly solve, or at least lessen the impact of these events. It's the psychology of it more after. You tend to view everything from the perspective of the hardcore liberal, try taking a a little more from the moderate angle.

Some might say that this whole concealment deal is going to only make the holders 'trigger happy' at any situation they can use to walk out the 'hero'. The fact of the matter is, those who pass concealment checks are actually quite the opposite.