what is with the media covering all this weird UFO stuff? sharp 2007 rise.

[HeavenSent]

Physical evidence? What does it prove? Does it prove a hypothesis or theory or a documented history supposedly related to that object? It merely proves that the artifact certainly does exists in a tangible form. Does every student with the desire to understand need to see this object firsthand to prove its existence and the historical events related to said object? Are photographs and motion pictures of said object sufficient proof of its existence and the history therein? Apparently not by the standards of many of the members of this forum.

Are educational institutions any different in their methods? Most educators never go beyond the experience of the classroom and the 'selected' text and materials they have learned to recite and describe in an instructional manner. In order for students to graduate from any given lesson, it is required of them to regurgitate the information back to the instructor in a fashion which gives the instructor the confidence that the student has competently ingested and understood the concepts taught therein.

In the video link posted by Tone, many of these people giving their testimony are experts in their field, working (or retired) in the environmental 'field' of their expertise where they had their experience. Which in my opinion, says more about their credibility than most classroom instructors.

Whether one believes the bible or not, the profound magnitude of ones hard-headed stubbornness is exemplified with this verse:

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Lk:16:31)

...And the resolute attitude one should take upon encountering one with such close-mindedness is given in this verse:

But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. (1Cor:14:38)

Edit:> Notice how i managed not to get personal with anyone in a negative manner.

[inaphyt]

I wonder why they don't come down and say hello.

[HateTheFake]

haha i lived in phx in 1997 and never saw anything, fife ftl

[PaulOakenfold]

haha i lived in phx in 1997 and never saw anything, fife ftl

You probably didn't. The Phoenix Lights have an uncanny microcosmic alikeness to the rise of Nazi Germany.

[Kolar]

Physical evidence? What does it prove? Does it prove a hypothesis or theory or a documented history supposedly related to that object? It merely proves that the artifact certainly does exists in a tangible form. Does every student with the desire to understand need to see this object firsthand to prove its existence and the historical events related to said object?

No, research may lead to new pieces of evidence resulting in new and existing theories being formulated and tweaked. From my own understanding student studying in the sciences are only instructed in the processes and procedures in documenting, analyzing such physical material and to formulate their own theories.

Are photographs and motion pictures of said object sufficient proof of its existence and the history therein? Apparently not by the standards of many of the members of this forum.

Legally, no film is not considered physical evidence. Think about it this way: Data and Information are two different things. Data is raw (physical evidence) it has no meaning unless it is packaged by Information (film). That packaging can frame the data in different ways making it bias and unreliable. Physical evidence would be what Eph said, well documented or existing corpses of extraterrestrials, DNA, food ect... None of it exists today, and you can't claim the Government or some other force is keeping it from public knowledge therefore it does exist. It doesn't work that way.

In the video link posted by Tone, many of these people giving their testimony are experts in their field, working (or retired) in the environmental 'field' of their expertise where they had their experience. Which in my opinion, says more about their credibility than most classroom instructors.

The human experience is bias and unreliable so that's why physical evidence is required. Do I have to point out that 100 years ago most people thought the Earth was flat. We humans tend to come up with some strange ideas concerning the physical world. Sure that makes life less interesting but what Ephemeral said is right; the mundane world is often more interesting then reading Above Top Secret or one of Tone's threads.

Intelligent life outside of Earth is likely to exist out somewhere in our galaxy and beyond and I hope it does but there's nothing conclusive or convincing right now that says any extraterrestrial intelligence has been here, either now or in our distant past. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I will face that and many other things when it comes knowing I didn't jump to conclusions without forethought. Being right or wrong sometimes is not all that important, how you come to those decisions and conclusions is.

[Louis XV]

Ok, I'm watching it now tone.

Edit: watched up to 45 minutes. Nothing substantial, generally individual sightings, no proof that what they saw was 'UFOs'. Just generally lacking, nothing sounded concrete: lacked hard evidence.

I went ahead and looked up some more info on one of these guys.. he's got some crazy far-out shit to say, and almost all of it seems to be opinion rather than first-hand witnessing. He makes up these grand stories about the government making deals with aliens, which are actually taken nearly word for word from a sci-fi book [the interviewer points this out and the guy says that the author has things mostly correct.. LOL]... also he claims that praying, having a bible, or just faith in christ will prevent you from being abducted by the 'greys' because they have an aversion to... christianity? lololo. Also, he claims a ton of contradictory stuff about their intentions being malicious and benevolent, going back and forth.

I would be more interested in how consistent these people's stories are with one another. Though ideally that should have been established before they were allowed to hear the others' testimonies...

[HeavenSent]

.....a documented history...
...the historical events....
....the history therein?....

Was I talking science?
:P



Not only is it a lie that schools teach people believed the world was flat, the earliest civilization knew of the planets in our solar system and they knew the earth's placement. Same shit with the teaching that Christopher Columbus was the first to discover the Western Hemisphere.

That's what i was implying with the quotes around 'selected' text.

[Kolar]

History is an academic discipline which relies upon many of the social and hard sciences.

[Tone]

The human experience is bias and unreliable so that's why physical evidence is required. Do I have to point out that 100 years ago most people thought the Earth was flat. We humans tend to come up with some strange ideas concerning the physical world. Sure that makes life less interesting but what Ephemeral said is right; the mundane world is often more interesting then reading Above Top Secret or one of Tone's threads.

BS Programming. The bias doesnt apply after a certain amount of witnesses and experiences

for instance you dont have bias with objects that can make sudden turns, be tracked on radar and several thousands of miles per hour and shut down plane instruments.

a military officer and his staff observing ten nuclear missiles go offline at the same time a UFO is observed hovering above the base is not a circumstance of bias like looking at a cloud and seeing an outline of santa can be.

nor is a pilot seeing a giant cigar shaped craft right next to his plane

Kolar is posing as logic while being the exact opposite.

This is such laughable garbage i rarely address it anymore. its an on-purpose programming from the so called 'skeptic' community. their explanations are getting more and more outlandish, if they wernt already outlandish enough back when "swamp gas" was used

[Kolar]

a military officer and his staff observing ten nuclear missiles go offline at the same time a UFO is observed hovering above the base is not a circumstance of bias like looking at a cloud and seeing an outline of santa can be.

Again that's taking people on their word. I'm not saying weird shit doesn't happen just that unless you have some kind of evidence beyond the mass unexplained reports from a couple people you can't be saying half the shit you are concerning the existence much the less motives of any extraterrestrial intelligence.

Edit: And btw all forum staff are part of the Illuminati, so I'm not a skeptic.

[Tone]

Again that's taking people on their word. I'm not saying weird shit doesn't happen just that unless you have some kind of evidence beyond the mass unexplained reports from a couple people you can't be saying half the shit you are concerning the existence much the less motives of any extraterrestrial intelligence.

Edit: And btw all forum staff are part of the Illuminati, so I'm not a skeptic.

theres a lot of people coming out, a lot of whistle blowers. you cant expect them all to be mentally ill + all video and radar evidence to be fake.

Governor Fife Symington and 10 thousand people say the mile wide delta shaped craft that flew over phoenix, AZ in 1997

Several pilots and airline employees snapped poor quality cell phone pics and observed a saucer over ohare airport which was there for 20 minutes, then shot off cutting a hole into the over cast, and thats the story that started off 2007 followed by many more, some of which are highlighted in the original post

The media coverage on UFOs will continue to rise and pressure will continue to be applied until there is disclosure of the ET presence. The fake-skeptics will then move onto something else as they always did from the days of Vitamin C deficiency not causing scurvy and world being flat to present. It wont be long however that once we get a true paradigm shift going, this will disappear. The truth will come out about the false flag operations and everything else.

[HeavenSent]

The truth will come out about the false flag operations and everything else.

Yeah baby! :wub:

I wonder how the Sumerians knew of the planets in our solar system if it wasn't for the help of E.T.s?
...Or the Egyptians with the Great Pyramid for that matter.

[Vatican Assassin]

UFO's flew into the world trade center guys i was there.


in the UFO's..........








SEXUALLY

[Tone]

Hacker Gary McKinnon (facing 60 years in prison) tells the truth

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B4PkNPCEnJM

hacker Gary McKinnon talking about what he found in NASA and government computer in is search for evidence of suppressed free energy technology and the ET presence. i dont know if he has been extradited to the US yet, last i heard he was facing 60 years in prison of extradited. This story did hit the mainstream news and that video is an uncut BBC interview



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/4977134.stm

[Noah]

How much longer can you keep this up, Tone?

I've been thinking all the time that it's been joke posts/threads, but just by the number of articles you've looked up, I see that you've spent too much time into it to not be serious.