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    Obama has had some interesting lectures, but how many has he really hit home on? Heres a few ive seen.

    The Questioner: “I see a great a contradiction going on in our society, right now, and I don’t understand it. Maybe you can help me out. On the one hand, we see a guy like Michael Vick, who will likely lose his livelihood and spend some time in jail and there’s been a tremendous outcry against this man because of fighting dogs. There’s been a huge, huge reaction. On the other hand, we have 34 years and counting where thousands of innocent, sweet babies are being killed every day through what we call abortion, yet that voice has seemingly died out. What would you do about that and what’s happening in our society when people can’t seem to see this contradiction?”

    Mr. Obama: “The issue of abortion, I don’t think, has gone away. People think about it a lot, obviously you do and you feel impassioned. I think that the American people struggle with two principles: There’s the principle that a fetus is not just an appendage, it’s potential life. I think people recognize that there’s a moral element to that. They also believe that women should have some control over their bodies and themselves and there is a privacy element to making those decisions.

    “I don’t think people take the issue lightly. A lot of people have arrived in the view that I’ve arrived at, which is that there is a moral implication to these issues, but that the women involved are in the best position to make that determination. And I don’t think they make it lightly. I don’t think they make it callously, so I reject a comparison between a woman struggling with these issues and Michael Vick fighting dogs for sport. I don’t think that’s sort of how people perceive it.

    “Now, this is one of those areas – again, I think it’s important to be honest – where I don’t think you’re ever going to get a complete agreement on this issue. If you believe that life begins at conception, then I can’t change your mind. I think there is a large agreement, for example, that late-term abortions are really problematic and there should be a regulation. And it should only happen in terms of the mother’s life or severe health consequences, so I think there is broad agreement on these issues.
    “One area where I think we should have significant agreement is on the idea of reducing unwanted pregnancies because if we can reduce unwanted pregnancies, then it’s much less likely that people resort to abortion. The way to do that is to encourage young people and older people, people of child-bearing years, to act responsibly. Part of acting responsibly – I’ve got two daughters – part of my job as a parent is to communicate to them that sex isn’t casual and that it’s something that they should really think about and not think is just a game.

    “I’m all for education for our young people, encouraging abstinence until marriage, but I also believe that young people do things regardless of what their parents tell them to do and I don’t want my daughters ending up in really difficult situations because I didn’t communicate to them, how to protect themselves if they make a mistake. I think we’ve got to have that kind of comprehensive view that says family planning and education for our young people and so forth – to prevent teen pregnancies, to prevent the kinds of situations that lead to women having to struggle with these difficult decisions and we should be supportive of those efforts. That’s an area where there should be some agreement.”



    Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)

    Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters

    [An abortion protester at a campaign event] handed me a pamphlet. "Mr. Obama, I know you're a Christian, with a family of your own. So how can you support murdering babies?" I told him I understood his position but had to disagree with it. I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country. I suggested that perhaps we could agree on ways to reduce the number of women who felt the need to have abortions in the first place.
    "I will pray for you," the protester said. "I pray that you have a change of heart." Neither my mind nor my heart changed that day, nor did they in the days to come. But that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own-that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that had been extended to me.




    Is it not the "christian" faith that states thou shall not kill? Guess when you need a guy with morals, looking to democrats isnt a good place to start looking.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by NoLimitSoldier View Post
    ...If you believe that life begins at conception, then I can’t change your mind. ...
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    • #3
      you got it wrong

      bubs: hi im running 4 pres
      press: who are you
      bubs: yeah i used to play under ronald reagan i'm aliased
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      • #4
        You cant say Obama has no morals because he is not against abortion. Hell, I applaud him for it, it further show that he is a smart guy and doesn't just take this for granted. Like how being Christian should automatically mean you are against abortion or gays or whatever. I think the question of abortion is one to be made by the parents, not one to be made by the government. Though you should need regulations as to what time in the pregnancy you can have abortions.
        Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.

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        • #5
          but wouldnt any regulations, still be the government being involved, this is what i truley cant understand. USA law has some weird ass loop holes for instance. A pregnant woman (2 months preg.) gets killed, they charge the man with 2 murders, instead of one, but based on the current aboration laws, isnt that really only 1 murder? If your gonna create laws why allow such a big gray area.

          Also if Obama cant follow his own religion how do you expect him to follow through with what he says. Isnt that the equivalent of me or someone becoming Jahovas Witness then celebrating xmas, Being Mormon then going out on an alcohol binge.
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          • #6
            Thank you for posting the text NoLimit, could you provide a link? I think it's amazing that a politician would talk about an issue like that, as if he were a real fucking person. No one makes the decision to end their pregnancy lightly and I think his position is at least respectable given the fact that he's not giving you his dumbed down third grader response to the issue.

            not every Christian believes that conception = life, actually mostly Evangelicals do and he's right that late term pregnancies are an issue but conversely I don't believe any Government should intervene in the lives of its citizens in that manner. The issue is between the woman and her doctor. Complaining that he's not a cookie cutter Christian is a little stupid in an era where such extremes have lead us down a terrible path in the past 7 or 8 years.
            Last edited by Kolar; 03-26-2008, 09:51 PM.

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            • #7
              i got my info from a few sites ill post the ones i remember

              http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...bortion-issue/

              Also found this:
              Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

              http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Ba...a_Abortion.htm

              http://www.govote.com/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

              Its good to know his view however, when voting for an elected offical i feel moral fiber is needed. I can only trust clinton about as far as i can throw her, and obama has no where near the same views on me (not just about abortion but immigration and others) but who knows it might be ralph nadar 08 for me
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              • #8
                One of his better points was that people are going to have abortions regardless of whether it's legal or not. If we were to outlaw them across the board, people would have to get them under the table which is much more dangerous. I also agree with his stance on women making this decision-- I wouldn't want everyone on The View litigating about my balls.
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                • #9
                  You are not, not Christian if you are not a bible thumper.. Obama can easily be Christian and still have these views.
                  Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ignominy View Post
                    bubs: hi im running 4 pres
                    press: who are you
                    bubs: yeah i used to play under ronald reagan i'm aliased
                    press: ok leave and come back as ronald reagan
                    bubs: lol i didnt say im ronald reagan wtf
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                    • #11
                      Rofl at Bubs jokes.
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                      • #12
                        Great post, and great catch on Obama's views. It's amazing that a politican can talk about such issues with such complexity and candor in this day and age. Instead of resorting to sound bytes for the sake of sound bytes (and likely being extremely hypocritical about it in private), Obama says it like it is and explains it all in a way that we can all relate to.




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                        • #13
                          just lettin you know that people who are against abortion should mind their own fuckin business...

                          dont get me wrong, im not pining anything on you personally, but i think its a milion times better if your offered a choice whether you want to have a baby or not...if you dont, hell, do what you want with a "potential" human being....key word there...

                          same way you eat eggs in the morning...you will crush the egg without thinkin twice knowing its for your breakfast, but if you knew there is an already developing chick inside that egg, youd feel bad doing it...so...
                          abortion basically is your eggs in the morning...
                          people like you just take that shit out of content...

                          For you to say everyone should be against abortion cus its wrong is like you telling people what to do...
                          ever tried telling a mother how to raise her child? see what she does to you when she starts screaming...

                          another example of an abortion that in my eyes seems perfectly fine is when a girl is actually using condoms and it ends up breaking, thus getting her pregnant...now your saying she cant perform an abortion? you would rather have her ruin her young life (if she was young at the time) or her childhood cus of a possible baby? thats already drop out of school possibility, not to mention the stress of your peers...than when the baby finally comes, you have to tell her she was a mistake...you may still love her, but the odds of both of their lives being ruined is very high...and since pregancies usually happen in poor areas where parenting is already a problem, you would rather risk 2 lives than save 1...

                          again, its best to be left as a choice...whether you against it or not, you have no right to make decisions for anyone else...
                          its like my parents buying me clothes when 20 years old...or telling me who to date...

                          imma stop before i get off topic, but hope you get the idea...

                          obama...may disagree with it, but its obvious it should be left for a personal decision...
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                          • #14
                            Even though I agree with you royce, let me set you straight on eggs. The eggs we buy in the store are generally unfertilized, they do NOT contain a developing embryo inside.
                            Also, I can't recall you ever ending a line with just 1 period. Did you buy one of those keyboards?:
                            Last edited by Singularity; 03-27-2008, 06:37 PM.
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                            • #15
                              i put 3 of em cus theres more to say but im too lazy
                              and just letting you know this isnt english class
                              and to let you know, i think comparing an unfirtilized egg to undeveloped embryo is A O.K.

                              edit: also, when you free write, consider it a draft
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