The "Bubs" of politics

[Saturn V]

ure killin teh next einstein dont do aborshun!!!11!!1

[HateTheFake]

kolar-


BREAST CANCER:
The risk of breast cancer almost doubles after one abortion, and rises even further with two or more abortions.(3)

CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
Women with one abortion face a 2.3 relative risk of cervical cancer, compared to non-aborted women, and women with two or more abortions face a 4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of ovarian and liver cancer have also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer rates for post-aborted women are apparently linked to the unnatural disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated cervical damage.(4)

UTERINE PERFORATION:
Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated unless laparoscopic visualization is performed.(5) Such an examination may be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion.(6) Uterine damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.

CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for dilation of the cervix.(7)

PLACENTA PREVIA:
Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive bleeding during labor.(8)

COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR: Women who had one, two, or more previous induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks).(17) Pre-term delivery increases the risk of neo-natal death and handicaps.

HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns.(9)

ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may result in reduced fertility.(10)
PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within 4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have a chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and treat such infections prior to an abortion.(11)


ENDOMETRITIS:
Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire endometritis following abortion.(12)

IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are: infection, excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications, convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock. The most common "minor" complications include: infection, bleeding, fever, second degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, vomiting, gastro-intestinal disturbances, and Rh sensitization.(13)
INCREASED RISKS FOR WOMEN SEEKING MULTIPLE ABORTIONS:
In general, most of the studies cited above reflect risk factors for women who undergo a single abortion. These same studies show that women who have multiple abortions face a much greater risk of experiencing these complications. This point is especially noteworthy since approximately 45% of all abortions are for repeat aborters.

http://www.afterabortion.info/physica.html

[HateTheFake]

and thats just the phisical health factors, wait til later in life with spiritual and mental health problems.

[Galleleo]

If you walk outside you run a risk of getting hit by a car.
If you sit inside, you run a risk of your house collapsing
If you drive a car, you run a risk of it exploding
etc.
etc.
etc.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

and thats just the phisical health factors, wait til later in life with spiritual and mental health problems.

Even if I were to take opinions stated on that page as fact, what's so hard about understanding that it's a personal choice? Why do you feel you have to negate someone else's decision?

[royCE]

well said...

and like i said before, try telling another parent how to raise their kid and see what they tell you...

[Singularity]

kolar-

http://www.afterabortion.info/physica.html

One thing to note, all the information about physical problems is from the early 80's. That's more than twenty years ago which is basically a lot for medical or scientific papers. Techniques change rapidly and also statistical research is being constantly re-evaluated. This wouldn't convince me in this form. -In the early 80's people were still allowed to smoke in labs and chemicals didn't cause cancer-.

That said, how is morality related to physical damage that may or may not be caused by abortions? If people want to take the risk of any kind of surgery (all surgery is with some degree of risk), that is up to them is it not?.

[HateTheFake]

Since when in america is it alright to cut a man up, and get away with it, and call it a "personal choice"

Im not negating anyones decisions, i simply stated facts. I stated full views. I havent given any false info. Why do you want to allow murder? Why do you want to further the inhumane treatment on human life. These life forms need a voice. Be glad legalized abortion wasnt around 30 or so years ago, or your voice/opinion (no matter how horrible) may not exist today.

And

To those that say the majority of people who have abortions are teens, its not. 75 percent of all abortions are woman 20+

[HateTheFake]

ok how about a more recent one then.

The British Journal of Ob&Gyn found, in its study of post-abortion women, that 44 percent complained of nervous disorders, 36 percent had problems sleeping and 11 percent had been prescribed psychotropic medicine by their doctor.

A study performed by the Canadian government on the subject found that a full 25 percent had been to see a psychiatrist within five years of having an abortion, compared to just 3 percent of the control group.

The nonpartisan Westside (Los Angeles) Pregnancy Resource Center points out that a major study of post-abortion women found that, at the very least, 19 percent suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. A few of the symptoms include "recurrent and intrusive thoughts about the abortion or aborted child, nightmares about the abortion or child" and "anniversary reactions of intense grief or depression" on the due date of the aborted child or on the anniversary of the abortion.

The psychological toll abortion can take on women can be unbearable. Indeed, 60 percent of the women thus affected by abortion report thinking suicidal thoughts, and 28 percent of them do ultimately attempt suicide.

And those are just some of the mental health risks of abortion. On the physical health side, there is the fact that post-abortion women are more likely to deliver handicapped newborns in later pregnancies. Again, according to the West Side Pregnancy Resource Center, the cervical and uterine damage often caused by abortion can lead to "premature delivery ... and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies." These complications are the most common causes of handicaps among newborns.

There is also the much-studied, yet underreported, link between abortion and breast cancer, the so-called "ABC link." As WorldNetDaily reported in 2001, 27 of 35 studies since 1957 have positively established the ABC link. Dr. Joel Brind, president of the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute, explains that, upon conceiving, a woman's estrogen level soars to a level hundreds of times higher than normal. This high level of estrogen results in the growth of "undifferentiated" cells in the pregnant woman's breasts, a consequence of her body preparing itself for the production of milk. These undifferentiated cells are vulnerable to carcinogens, which can lead to the growth of cancerous tumors later in life.

However, for a woman to be capable of producing milk, it's necessary for these cells to go through a final process in the last weeks of a full-term pregnancy that terminally differentiates them. Differentiated cells are not vulnerable to carcinogens. But if a pregnancy is terminated before this process occurs, then the woman is left with an abnormal amount of the cancer-prone undifferentiated cells. The resulting increase in the woman's risk of developing breast cancer can be from 30 to 100 percent.

So, despite what disingenuous proponents of abortion would like women to think, evidence shows that there are significant physical and mental health risks associated with having an abortion. Far from being safe, abortion is, in fact, an extremely risky procedure that can not only cause substantial harm to the patient and any future pregnancies, but can also lead to agonizing psychological trauma as well. The fact is that the pro-abortion left does not have women's best interests in mind. Until Planned Parenthood and its supporters decide to start telling the truth, thousands of women will continue to be the ignored and forgotten victims of legally induced abortion.

http://media.www.dailygamecock.com/m...s-836175.shtml

[royCE]

only a small portion of many problems in america....

ur focusing on small shit cus u have nothing better to do...

just like protesting, people go to protest just to go do something, to get off their ass

[HateTheFake]

royce your the one focusing on "small shit" you havent proved anything other then, "go try telling someone how to raise their kid and see what happens" so please dont come into a debate if thats the best you have to offer

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Since when in america is it alright to cut a man up, and get away with it, and call it a "personal choice"

You're jumping from one foot to the other. On one hand, you're saying that it causes all these physical problems with the woman having it--that's where I'm saying it's personal choice. It's like smoking is a personal choice. It's like excercise is a personal choice. Don't cite a page full of outdated medical studies about "risk to the mother" if you're just going to say "duh, it's still equal to murder" (which is debatable).

Im not negating anyones decisions, i simply stated facts. I stated full views.

You're basically saying that abortion should be illegal in all cases, no? That's negating someone else's adult decision. Is it directly interfering with your life? No. Then let's leave it at that.

I havent given any false info.

False. See Kolar's link/post above.

Why do you want to allow murder?

Are you a vegan? If not, then you're still taking life. Even if you are a vegan, you'd still be "taking life." The hypocrasy of "human life is somehow more valuable than all other life" is ridiculous religious dogma.

Why do you want to further the inhumane treatment on human life. These life forms need a voice.

Why do you feel that you need to step in and do that? Don't you feel that the mother/father of the unborn child can voice that perfectly well? Why is it your right as a completely unattached third party?

Be glad legalized abortion wasnt around 30 or so years ago, or your voice/opinion (no matter how horrible) may not exist today.

That has to be the dumbest statement you've made to date. I should be glad legalized abortion wasn't around? Guess what, holmes? Abortion's been around for thousands of years, whether it's been legal or not. Are you saying that somehow, because abortion is legal, that people are rushing out to have abortions? That's a fucked up view. Give people a little more credit, and possibly your arguments will have a little more weight.

To those that say the majority of people who have abortions are teens, its not. 75 percent of all abortions are woman 20+

... you mean adults?

[Galleleo]

Why are you even trying, you are not going to convince anyone around here.

EVERYTHING involves risk.. if you CHOOSE to go drive a car, you are taking a risk, if you CHOOSE to walk to the store you are taking a risk. etc. etc.

And so does the choice for abortion. But this choice for abortion isn't made on 1 evening, hell you are not even allowed to have an abortion without an intake conversation with the doctor. First you go talk to them, then he send you home with stuff and info and whatnot, and only if after that you are still sure, you can have the abortion.

[genocidal]

Since when in america is it alright to cut a man up, and get away with it, and call it a "personal choice"

Since when does a lifeless and shapeless entity constitute a "man?"

[Noah]

You don't seem to get it, do you?

You can pull out as many facts as you want, and I'm guessing you'll have a maximum of one person on the forum that will give enough shit to read it. It's not about the negative effects that comes with it. There is tons of legal things that are much more dangerous. It's about having the freedom to choose.

Not only should abortion be legal, but the agelimit should be 150, so I could legally abort you right now to avoid more failthreads.