Lebanon is falling!

[FarScape]

I would assume more people here to show their disgrace on whats going on there!
Could it be that the terror group that Israel fought against (after they kidnapped soldiers from our borders) is now taking over Lebanon?


The Arab Christians are stupid to hold hands together with a radical Islamic group - Hizbullah. This is their reward. Goodbye Lebanon

[Mantra-Slider]

I have always wanted to visit Lebanon. And Syria.

If you are wondering why people are not discussing this topic, how about the fucked up situation in Burma (Myanmar) currently with more than 1 million homeless people and probably more than 100.000 killed due to the tropical cyclone that hit the country couple days ago. All this tragedy and the military regime in the country is refusing aid from other nations and organisations

[FarScape]

I have always wanted to visit Lebanon. And Syria.

If you are wondering why people are not discussing this topic, how about the fucked up situation in Burma (Myanmar) currently with more than 1 million homeless people and probably more than 100.000 killed due to the tropical cyclone that hit the country couple days ago. All this tragedy and the military regime in the country is refusing aid from other nations and organisations

But if USA (for example) will invade Myanmar and put some democracy government you will probably oppose it right?

[Mantra-Slider]

Im not saying anything on the topic in itself. Only pointing out that there are alot of things that we dont discuss on these boards and the israel/usa vs arabs discussion is gonna end up in shittalk after 10 posts :/

[FarScape]

Im not saying anything on the topic in itself. Only pointing out that there are alot of things that we dont discuss on these boards and the israel/usa vs arabs discussion is gonna end up in shittalk after 10 posts :/

I know, but I just found it cynical regarding to the last discussion that was here, where people actually supported the same group that is now terrorizing their own country.

[Kolar]

Someone said they supported Hezbollah on here?

??

As always the solution to Burma, Darfur, Iraq ect... is usually not to dump any (or more) soldiers on the ground. A lot more problems are caused by limiting ourselves to that colonial paradigm. I do believe you need security and protection before you can have stability but you have to look at the root causes of armed opposition beyond the belief that they just want us dead for the hell of it. You have mass unemployment in Iraq, Government corruption (US and Iraqi) which mismanages massive amounts of money, resources and supplies and feeds into the violence and over 100,000 foreign military personnel playing police. And when you build your enemy up into some transcendental ultimate evil like we have with Alqada you only feed into their appeal, their image.

The Generals controlling Myanmar I think are more interested in the constitution vote and saving face, while keeping Western influence away with the natural disaster they're facing. The only conclusion I could come to when reading about their inaction was that they believe a smaller and demoralized population is easier to control.

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If you are wondering why people are not discussing this topic, how about the fucked up situation in Burma (Myanmar) currently with more than 1 million homeless people and probably more than 100.000 killed due to the tropical cyclone that hit the country couple days ago. All this tragedy and the military regime in the country is refusing aid from other nations and organisations

So the Myanmar govt. decided to accept the U.N. aid of food and medical supplies only to stockpile them in hangers and keep them from their own people. The U.N. has suspended aid to Myanmar as of today.

The U.S. says they will most likely do fly overs and drop supplies to the people in need to avoid going through the Myanmar govt.

What an F'd up govt. Myanmar is. and there would be no way in hell that the USA (for example) will invade Myanmar and put some democracy government. There is no monetary/profit interest in Myanmar to begin with for the U.S. The U.S typically does not do invasions or puppet govt.'s unless they can get something back in monetary or military interest. This will be a golden op for China to jump in

As far as Lebanon is concerned...what the hell can the U.S. do? they don't have the military or the money to help in aiding the Lebanese Govt. at this time.

[Doc Flabby]

What amuses me is the world "expects" the USA to do something about it. And when they do something about it the USA will get flamed by the world for doing the wrong thing, or not doing anything.

I'm not a big fan of the USAs policies in the last 10 years. But what i am tired of is never seeing any other bif countries stepping up and trying to sort shit out in this world. China has more than enough influence and money to sort some of these problems out in its back yard. But it does nothing. Once some of these other nations start showing some moral backbone I might start to take criticism of the USA seriously from these nations.

Same goes for africa. South Africa should be ashamed for what its let happen in Zimbarbie.

[Galleleo]

What is Zimbarbie?

And what do you mean the world expects? I don't expect nor want the US to put their nose in other peoples business. At most I expect the UN to use their diplomatic powers to try and persuade governments or whatever, but I don't expect anyone to wage a war in some country because to your morals and beliefs it is not right. And going there out of Moral conviction is one thing, what the US has done is gone there out of economic conviction, namely their own, and then use some kind of guise like: hey we have to help the poor people, we have to save them from the dictatorzz, pew pew.

[FarScape]

What is Zimbarbie?

And what do you mean the world expects? I don't expect nor want the US to put their nose in other peoples business. At most I expect the UN to use their diplomatic powers to try and persuade governments or whatever, but I don't expect anyone to wage a war in some country because to your morals and beliefs it is not right. And going there out of Moral conviction is one thing, what the US has done is gone there out of economic conviction, namely their own, and then use some kind of guise like: hey we have to help the poor people, we have to save them from the dictatorzz, pew pew.

Thats the problem with liberal idiots from Europe (and from US). USA is the reason many countries sustain in bad times. Lets put aside the aid that US soldiers gave with their blood for the "Europe" against Germany. What about the shit load of money and supplies that US gave to West Europe after the fall of the Nazis? You would probably be communist right now, learning that Stalin is god, so give some respect to USA, and try to understand why they DO feel responsible for other nations and people (Without USA my country would not exist that for sure).

There is no monetary/profit interest in Myanmar to begin with for the U.S.

I don't think the US have resources to make a war against Myanmar. It not everything about OIL. US has military bases in many places and countries around the globe.

China has more than enough influence and money to sort some of these problems out in its back yard.

Actually they don't. USA technology and fundings are way stronger than any country in the world. China is also having some issues with countries around her, unlike U.S.

[Kolar]

China has the ability to resolve the issue in Burma. They are close to the Military Generals there and the country appears to be more open to receiving aid and help from them. The UN should already be looking to funneling aid through them, it doesn't matter what flag is on the shipping containers going to the survivors. China also has more then enough money to provide a substantial economic aid package.

No one expects the US to solve the crisis in Lebanon or Burma. What is expected is political pressure, economic aid, and diplomacy. The State Department has already and many countries have already condemned the holdup of front line supplies and support. I don't think the outside world would blame the US for NOT going to extremes in any given crisis.

Military intervention is the very last thing you do, translation for our neo-conservative forum friends 'All options are not on the table'. The sad thing is that the security council is broken and used as a weapon by Russia and China against the West. Even in cases like Darfur where military support is needed and justified on every level it's blocked or gimped. But it is better than NATO, 'The Coalition of the Willing' or any other group or alliance deciding on unilateral action. Alliances like NATO are about protection and common defense against a cohesive threatening entity, as oppose to an offensive war machine based on conquering, acquisition and political/social change.


If you wanted an example of why these threads fail see FarScape's last post.

[Mantra-Slider]

Israelism: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD4EJ...eature=related

[FarScape]

Whats wrong with my last post?

Those threads fail because people writing a lot of nonsense. They sit in their home and think that all the world problems are easy to solve with diplomacy. They think the UN is not corrupt and is actually able to solve problems.

You can say that because of my posts threads like this fail, but sorry, I just light up the facts and reality.


Mantra, wtf?

P.S
Cool site :-P

[Jerome Scuggs]

we have an obligation to invade the crap out of these guys.

or else we would have no compassion.

[Scoop]

Pretty much the entire middle east is a shit storm in general. :turned: