Lebanon is falling!

[Kolar]

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Attacked by Japan. Didn't you see the film Pearl Harbor?

WW2 wasn't a conflict between Communism and Capitalism, that came later. Didn't you play Battlefield 1942?

Yes then Communism failed, didn't you see ... ok I'll stop that now.

Starcraft was created by Blizzard Entertainment, part of Vivendi Games (an American computer game developer and publisher).

Iraq pre-invasion: car bombs were not going off daily, people actually had jobs and Al-Quada was non-existent in the region. I won't go over the false pretenses, the deception, failures and other stupidity. I will say that Iraq was more about changing the Middle East through military intervention and less about security... it fell on its head, unfortunately those in support of such policies didn't. This idea that Iraq is a regional or international struggle that requires US troop presence is a farce. It's a civil war, we've only remove their infrastructure and facade of civil life. Throw in some Government corruption, a shit bag of oil money and you've got a civil war mirroring the ethnic and religious divides that have existed for centuries.

Just because someone finds the implementation of the military in Iraq and Afghanistan or anywhere else to be wrong or misguided does not mean they support terrorist/criminal organizations.

[Jerome Scuggs]

I knew my anti-south rhetoric would piss you off, but come on man the south states aren't retarded but they generally vote in people who fucking ruin the country. I wish the average North American (I'm in the same boat) gave a fuck about their country and who they elected to lead it. This two party system has got to fucking go.

quite frankly the only difference between southern politicians and northerners is, southern ones are more open about corruption and therefore get caught faster. north or south, i think all politicians ruin this country.

You might find this guy interesting, if you want to learn about Southern politics, real Southern politics. (FYI: I'm related to him)

Here's what I think is wrong with American politics, and I'll just quote a guy:

"When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost... All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.' The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

-h.l. mencken, 1920

[Jeenyuss]

Give you something to avoid the real problem thus creating more problems, it's like trying to quit heroin by smoking meth. Instead of using the money they're giving out the government thinks that the people's need for beer and TVs is more important than actually investing the money into things will benefit the people in the long run.

The U.S government has probably just pushed up alcohol sales by at least 30% by giving people this money.

no i understood that. what i don't understand is how giving a hard core alcoholic cocaine is going to cure his alcoholism when all it's supposed to do is cure his smack habit.

[Squeezer]

I had no idea farscape had this big of a boner for the US.

Oh and Cops Republicans seem to always find new means of eliminating the Democratic opponent.
Rush Limbaugh: behind the magic bullet?

[Money]

What amuses me is the world "expects" the USA to do something about it. And when they do something about it the USA will get flamed by the world for doing the wrong thing, or not doing anything.

QFT

[FarScape]

Attacked by Japan. Didn't you see the film Pearl Harbor?

WW2 wasn't a conflict between Communism and Capitalism, that came later. Didn't you play Battlefield 1942?

Yes then Communism failed, didn't you see ... ok I'll stop that now.

Starcraft was created by Blizzard Entertainment, part of Vivendi Games (an American computer game developer and publisher).

Iraq pre-invasion: car bombs were not going off daily, people actually had jobs and Al-Quada was non-existent in the region. I won't go over the false pretenses, the deception, failures and other stupidity. I will say that Iraq was more about changing the Middle East through military intervention and less about security... it fell on its head, unfortunately those in support of such policies didn't. This idea that Iraq is a regional or international struggle that requires US troop presence is a farce. It's a civil war, we've only remove their infrastructure and facade of civil life. Throw in some Government corruption, a shit bag of oil money and you've got a civil war mirroring the ethnic and religious divides that have existed for centuries.

Just because someone finds the implementation of the military in Iraq and Afghanistan or anywhere else to be wrong or misguided does not mean they support terrorist/criminal organizations.

Pearl Harbor was a conflict with Japan. US could just fight Japan and ignore Europe. From what I know, it was German submarines that took down a ship who was in a convoy to Britain ( USS Reuben James (DD-245)?) and led USA to involve physically in Europe.


Starcraft made by blizzard (duh) but the best players are in Korea

You obviously know shit about Iraq before US invasion. Please go read about the man Saddam Hussein and come back with some knowledge. So yes, cars didn't explode on the streets weekly but why to do that if you can use chemical weapons on your own people and nations around you? -_-

No one say you support terror because you are against US invasion, but please! please don't say that those nations are in worse state then before. Its simply not true, you just don't hear about the good things that happen in those countries, only how people get exploded and die.

[FarScape]

I had no idea farscape had this big of a boner for the US.

I support the west. Its not only Americans who fight and secure those places. People from Europe also risk themselves there and sadly die.

[Galleleo]

Farscape, if it wasn't for Europe, there would be no US, so that whole US speaking German argument is fucking retarded.

US entered the second world war because of Pearl Harbor.

I still think that we would have won the war eventually without the US, it would have taken longer, more casualties and stuff. But still, I think we would have won it eventually.

And, Saddam hasn't used any chemical weapons or anything for a pretty long time before the invasion, Iraq right now is worse than Iraq in the years before the invasion.

And, lets not forget that the only reason Isreal exists is because someone wrote down somewhere that a bunch of eras ago some guy name Mozes took a bunch of Jewish people there from Egypt.

[EnFlAmE]

Lets watch the fact of whats happened to the countries in Europe who were in the "West" control and what happened to the countries who were under USSR control. The west countries got a lot of cash to rebuild their broken land. they got a lot food and supplies and the democracy in their countries were heavily supported.

Sure they did invest quite a bit in Europe and I am gratefull for the fact that they did. But they kinda were forced too do that cause in poverty communism has a good chance to cease power.

What happened to the soviet side? the soviets took the resources from those countries and didn't let the people there any way to make a voice. Even today you can see the HUGE different of that. West Europe is way more advanced then East Europe (who are catching it up quickly I must say). Even in Germany where the great wall was, there are yet different between East and West.

I've traveld to germany on a few occasions and I can say that this is indeed true. However there are people in eastern Germany that wouldn't mind having the wall back.

God, Just watch South Korea, one of the most advanced countries in East Asia, and watch North Korea. Without USA we wouldn't have StarCraft tournaments there! :-P but really, just see what could happen without USA.

You could actualy argue that Starcraft saved south korea singlehandedly. Not only cause it was a mayor boost to the economy but also cause north korea wouldn't dare to invade now they know south korea has such a baller as Reach.

Now for the countries that you mentioned, ill specific two who are like you said, A TNT keg that are going to explode. I can understand Americans who are against the war in Iraq. Its a problematic war cause of the death toll and probably the doubt that its really have anything to do with US security. Tho, If you think Iraq was better before USA was there, you need to learn history.
Also, to blame USA for whats going on there is totally stupidity. Iraq could be like Dubai, like Saudi Arabia (even tho they are also tyrants, but their leaders don't kill millions for nothing and war everything around them). What makes USA to stay in Iraq? the people who kill civilians in Iraq are mostly terrorists, Islamic terrorists. Blame them, not the USA. There is no justification to fucking bomb people who just live their life in the streets.

Please tell me where did I say that the US should leave Iraq. Oops I never said that. I said they shouldn't have gone there in the first place but now they are there I do believe they should finish their work. Some people rather live with a dictator ruling them then being "free" but living in the middle of a warzone. Personaly I wouldn't be suprised if there would be a big civil war in Iraq in the next few years.

Yugoslavia had a very brutal war, do you even sorry that Clinton decided to act there? I really don't get it.

I know my english isn't good but your sentence got me realy confused. I stated Yugoslavia as real peacekeeping mission. By that I ment that it was justified to go there.

The wars in Africa could be solved if people actually cared. In the UN there is a refugee organization called UNRWA, but not really something that care about the most problematic refugee problem in the world (Africa).

I'm pretty sure a lot of conflicts in africa are at least as complicated as the isreal - palastina thing and I think its quite stupid of you to generalise like that.

Most of the condemns in the UN security commission are against Israel.

Since when does Isreal care about the UN? You pretty much have the US backing you and using a veto on any proposition that would be negative for you.

Let me tell you a secret: the Israel - Arab conflict is one of the smallest conflicts in the world for the past 60 years, in any world scale. Why do you still keep earing about it and the Palestinians get huge amount of support from Arab nations and West countries? Because the Arab lobby and the Public opinion.

Small conflict or not it is one of the more important parts of the world. You can't just expect everyone to look the other way.
Oh and ofcourse there is no such thing as the isreali lobby.

How can Israel be fault of human crime violations from countries that doesn't even have human right laws?! its just simply pathetic to see people in the west who are actually support those who don't even give a shit about their liberal opinions.

Two wrongs don't make one right. Its quite bullshit to say that because certain countries still use stuff like corporal punishment their civilians can be freely clusterbombed by anyone who likes too.

Most of the African (and world) conflicts are involving Muslims killing others. Just check the reports, I'm not suffering from Islamphobia, read the books (the clash of civilization for example).

Muslims also kill eachother (ie shiite and sunnite muslims(sp?)). I don't support the muslims in any way but I can understand their frustration. Atleast I can understand it more then the soldiers shooting at kids throwing rocks at them.

Why would the rich and strong Arab lobby would critic themselves or the Islamic groups if we got Jewish Zionists who kill Poor Palestinians terrorists
The best way to keep the stupid people mind out of their own tyrant corrupt government.

I wonder what the kill rate is on terrorists compared with innocent civilians. Sure its likely that their goverment is corrupt but atleast they didn't elect a mass murderer.

You should reread your history books. Before the state of Israel, tell me what was here in Israel? THERE WAS NOT A PALESTINIAN NATION. In fact, the origin of the name "Palestinian" was made be the Greeks to remove the belonging of the Jewish people who were sitting in Israel.
The Palestinians who you see now fighting for their country, were simply some tribes who sat here after traveling from other Arab nations. The Palestinians who are Refugees, are mostly those who left their homes in 1948, after the Arabs declared war when Israel declared Independent (after the UN vote for two countries, someone didn't accept it, guess who). So, the Arab leaders who were here, told them to leave the homes till they win the war, but they lost, and now they want to go back to the cities.

Where did I say that isreal declared independence from the palastinian nation? oh wait, I DIDN'T!

Israel is exist because dumb fuck anti-semitic people (which are a lot in the world). Almost every Jewish man who live here is protected from Christians and Muslims from all around the world (and somehow, a refugee in Israel). Do you have better solution for Jews who got butchered in Arab countries, Europe and Russia? The terrorists believe in Hitler way, and in Israel we actually got power to fight back (and again, thanks to USA, Europe and other nations who do understand that).

You fight back by basicly turning the entire palastinian terrirtory into one big ghetto, be proud!

[FarScape]

You fight back by basicly turning the entire palastinian terrirtory into one big ghetto, be proud!

You have been there or you just saw it on TV?
You know that Gaza get power, oil, food and medical care even tho they are under Hamas government, who doesn't even recognize Israel?
Israel left gaza. there is no 1 single Israeli or Jewish person in Gaza strip, yet they keep shooting tens of rockets daily, tell me why?
Why Israel need to support Gaza when they have Egypt Arab brothers? where is the ghetto you talk about?

You know that Hamas is attacking the passageways where the supplies comes from Israel? if you wonder why they do that, it because they want us to stop deliver help to palestinians there, and than whine to the world how we force "ghetto", which are lies.
For the west bank, the wall there is to protect ourselves from suicide bombers. If it can save people life, and it does, why shouldn't we do it? it will be removed when we will have peace, meanwhile, if they want to enter Israel they should pass where they can be checked and not freely with bombs (and yes, its sad for the people who are not involved in terrorism, but what can we do?)

Try to understand what I say. You got a continent where millions die from diseases, starvation and wars. If the Africans nations could have half of the money and attention that the Palestinians got, they would be in much better place. They could probably buy more food and medical care instead of weapons from Iran.

Oh and don't say that we kill in masses, thats absolutely crap. Learn how they fight and understand why they got civilians causalities (which are very few comparing to anywhere). Yes, very smart to let militants swarm and fire rockets to Israelis cities. Why fighting them back? they are poor and starving, who cares they hold weapons that cost ten sacks of flour.

And, lets not forget that the only reason Isreal exists is because someone wrote down somewhere that a bunch of eras ago some guy name Mozes took a bunch of Jewish people there from Egypt.

Enough to link the Jewish people to Israel as their historical land. Thanks for strengthening that point.

[Kolar]

Pearl Harbor was a conflict with Japan. US could just fight Japan and ignore Europe. From what I know, it was German submarines that took down a ship who was in a convoy to Britain ( USS Reuben James (DD-245)?) and led USA to involve physically in Europe.

You obviously know shit about Iraq before US invasion. Please go read about the man Saddam Hussein and come back with some knowledge. So yes, cars didn't explode on the streets weekly but why to do that if you can use chemical weapons on your own people and nations around you? -_-

No one say you support terror because you are against US invasion, but please! please don't say that those nations are in worse state then before. Its simply not true, you just don't hear about the good things that happen in those countries, only how people get exploded and die.

WW2 was a world conflict between the Axis and the Allies. Japan preemptively attacked the US (just as the US preemptively attacked Iraq) which got them to openly enter the war. Ignoring Europe was not an option if they were to win the war, fighting Japan alone was not an option. If England fell then likely North America could have been invaded. This sunshine, do not wrong American image you've got is far off. I'm not trying to insult US citizens here but they rarely do something not in their best interest.

Under Saddam Hussein there was no political opposition or dissent. Yes, he used chemical weapons against his people in the 80s and he died for his crimes. I'm not saying it's right but he kept the extremist and crazies under control. It's not that one man kept things under control but the infrastructure, the systems that kept their society from falling apart were destroyed during the invasion intentionally. The idea was to remove any elements of the former Baath Party.

I understand the issue with the media, if it bleeds it reads mentality. But I believe the humanitarian disaster has been grossly underestimated by the US Military and again most of the country is not better off, I'd really like to see something that says otherwise. When less than half of the Iraqi budget can be executed and most reconstruction efforts going to defense and security it really says something about the conditions on the ground.

[Exalt]

why is everyone arguing over whether isreal should exist or not?

They exist, get over it, move on. Stop complaining about the poor arab terrorists that want to blow you up because their 99 virgins in heaven are the only way they can get laid. If the arabs starve because they support the terrorists, then good, let them. The people are the ones that make governments, and if their government is full of terrorists, well thats their own fault.

Iraq is better off now then it was before. You can't say anything to disprove that fact.

The only ones making Iraq bad are the terrorists, not the general Iraqi population.

All of the middle-east is unstable, not just Isreal. Isreal is unstable only because of the Arab nations around them causing trouble.

Countries like Dubai are the richest in the world, and have the best standard of living of almost every country. At least half the people living there are not of Arab descent and they live alongside Arabs in peace, without car bombings and things like that. This is because the people did not allow terrorists to run the country.

Palastinians deserve no help unless they help themselves... aka not allowing terrorists to run things.

[Scoop]

why is everyone arguing over whether isreal should exist or not?

They exist, get over it, move on. Stop complaining about the poor arab terrorists that want to blow you up because their 99 virgins in heaven are the only way they can get laid. If the arabs starve because they support the terrorists, then good, let them. The people are the ones that make governments, and if their government is full of terrorists, well thats their own fault.

Iraq is better off now then it was before. You can't say anything to disprove that fact.

The only ones making Iraq bad are the terrorists, not the general Iraqi population.

All of the middle-east is unstable, not just Isreal. Isreal is unstable only because of the Arab nations around them causing trouble.

Countries like Dubai are the richest in the world, and have the best standard of living of almost every country. At least half the people living there are not of Arab descent and they live alongside Arabs in peace, without car bombings and things like that. This is because the people did not allow terrorists to run the country.

Palastinians deserve no help unless they help themselves... aka not allowing terrorists to run things.

Exactly my thoughts on the situation. Good post, Exalt.

[Squeezer]

They exist, get over it, move on. Stop complaining about the poor arab terrorists that want to blow you up because their 99 virgins in heaven are the only way they can get laid. If the arabs starve because they support the terrorists, then good, let them. The people are the ones that make governments, and if their government is full of terrorists, well thats their own fault.

Looks like somebody's been spoiled by a government that doesn't open fire on it's opposing populace at will.

Kinda hard to change the regime when they'll kill any dissenters. And the average person isn't a terrorist, or a supporter of terrorism, they're some dude trying to get by. Your whole statement reeks of assumptions.

[Squeezer]

Iraq is better off now then it was before. You can't say anything to disprove that fact.

Much better.



edit: just found out the number the govt's reporting is 30,000.