I'm sick and need your home remedies.

[TagMor]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DankNuggets
or maybe you're just to thick headed to realize that a lot of OTC medicines contain -- omg here it comes -- natural medicines.

Wtf?.. you really are a fucking idiot.

So you don't dispute my argument and instead resort to name calling

Read the tread again... slowly... The OP was asking for advice regarding herbal or natural alternatives to pharmaceuticals... you said..

For coughs, if it's congestion you could take a decongestant (once again, don't be afraid of OTC medicines)

followed by..

or fuck it, if you don't want to follow modern medicine, go cover yourself in leeches. They've got about the same success rate as herbal remedies.

THen contradict these statements by saying

or maybe you're just to thick headed to realize that a lot of OTC medicines contain -- omg here it comes -- natural medicines.

but fuck it i have had enough of arguing with brain-damaged kids. -_-

[Bioture]

well I still have a cough with a good amount of phlegm... but it never got worse than that.

Some Halls should do the trick...

[HandofDeath]

I feel like a lot of people today overestimate the power of medicine and underestimate the power of your own body... let's face it, the body is incredible at curing itself. Many medical procedures and medication are simply to give the body a push in the right direction, but the body has to do most of its healing on its own.

If you really want to get over a cold quickly, just take really good care of your body and allow it to heal. Rest a lot, eat well if you can, drink a lot of fluids.

A lot of stuff beyond that is just covering up the problem until it gets better. Some medications obviously help but I'm only speaking about what I know is good advice, so I won't discuss them.

Some tips -- if your urine is clear, that means you're well hydrated. Try to maintain your urine at around a light yellowish color, because this is a good balance between hydration as well as electrolyte concentration (the yellow indicates how concentrated your urine is). Things like B Complex vitamin will change the color of your urine, so watch out for that.

If you blow your nose or spit out phlegm, try to check the mucus. Normally it's clear. If it's colored (usually yellow or green when you're sick), that means an infection is still present. If the mucus has a different color, *definitely* seek medical attention ASAP. If the color doesn't go away after a few weeks, it probably means that the infection is lingering... also, probably a good time to see a doctor.

Otherwise, just take care of yourself and weather it out.

[DankNuggets]

ONLY on TW FORUMS can you have someone arguing that something called

PSEUDOEPHIDRENE

is completely natural.

man if you had any idea what it actually was you'd realize that it's called PSEUDO because of it's chemical structure in comparison with ephidrene. that is to say that they are diastereomers of each other, identical in chemical makeup, but arranged differently.

Directly from wikipedia, with quote tags since yall think i don't know how to use them for some reason.. and in blue since red angers you guys too

Manufacture

Although pseudoephedrine occurs naturally as an alkaloid in certain plant species (for example, as a constituent of extracts from the ephedra species, also known as Ma Huang, in which it occurs together with other isomers of ephedrine), the majority of pseudoephedrine produced for commercial use is derived from yeast fermentation of dextrose in the presence of benzaldehyde. In this process, specialized strains of yeast (typically a variety of Candida utilis or Saccharomyces cerevisiae) are added to large vats containing water, dextrose and the enzyme pyruvate decarboxylase (such as found in beets and other plants). After the yeast has begun fermenting the dextrose, the benzaldehyde is added to the vats, and in this environment the yeast convert the precursor ingredients to l-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC). L-PAC is then chemically converted to pseudoephedrine via reductive amination.[11]

The bulk of pseudoephedrine is produced by commercial pharmaceutical manufacturers in India and China, where economic and industrial conditions favor the mass production of pseudoephedrine for export.[12]

Vick's VapoRub really isn't any more of an herbal remedy than Sudafed because they both have active ingredients, naturally found in plants, that are synthesized by other means for production in OTC medicines. I really don't care if you want to ignore this point anymore, I've made it clear enough i believe.


I'm really not suprised that you'd assume to know more than me about everything, but what does suprise me is that you're never willing to actually look this shit up and admit when you've been fucking owned.


and i'm not going to put quote tags within a quote so deal with it

Originally Posted by DankNuggets
Quote:
Originally Posted by DankNuggets
or maybe you're just to thick headed to realize that a lot of OTC medicines contain -- omg here it comes -- natural medicines.

Wtf?.. you really are a fucking idiot.

So you don't dispute my argument and instead resort to name calling

Read the tread again... slowly... The OP was asking for advice regarding herbal or natural alternatives to pharmaceuticals... you said..

Read my 1st post, before you decided to argue against medicine in general

Quote:
For coughs, if it's congestion you could take a decongestant (once again, don't be afraid of OTC medicines)

followed by..


Quote:
or fuck it, if you don't want to follow modern medicine, go cover yourself in leeches. They've got about the same success rate as herbal remedies.

Wow really? you just quoted two completely different posts like they were the same train of thought. The first was directed at the person who started the thread, and on topic. The second was in response to you, who doesn't want to use modern medicine. But really, i don't even see where you're going with this, not that it would make sense anyway, being from two completely different posts.

THen contradict these statements by saying


Quote:
or maybe you're just to thick headed to realize that a lot of OTC medicines contain -- omg here it comes -- natural medicines.

I'm not sure you know what a contradiction is. The only way to contradict those statements would be: 1st one - "Don't take decongestants, be afraid of medicine" 2nd one - "if you don't want to follow modern medicine, don't cover yourself in leeches, they don't work as well" But then again I also wouldn't expect you to admit that most medicines occur naturally somewhere, that's how they were discovered in the 1st place.

but fuck it i have had enough of arguing with brain-damaged kids.

1st - my brain probably works a hell of a lot better than yours, i'm not killing it with alcohol. 2nd - no where did you ever counter my argument that Zicam, specifically, has been proven to shorten or get rid of colds altogether. No other OTC medicine, or herbal remedy has been proven to do anything but alleviate symptoms. 3rd - The only thing you have going for you is one medicine that got recalled, and isn't available w/o a prescription, and only affects certain women 18-49. So please, stfu. Construct a coherent, evidence based argument if you want to prove me wrong, and quit with the name calling unless you really think that's what wins arguments. But when you argue with children, it usually is.

[Cops]

let's argue in gods colors

[Kolar]

TW Forums: Learn how to quote people properly.

[Money]

let's argue in gods colors

GO USA

[DoTheFandango]

dude, read what the fuck you are posting. this is the most stupendously ridiculous argument I have ever read. if you honestly believe that PSUEDOEPHEDRINE is natural, you are the most retarded motherfucker that ever motherfucked.

I'll quote you, yourself, quoting Wikipedia.

The majority of pseudoephedrine produced for commercial use is derived from yeast fermentation of dextrose in the presence of benzaldehyde.

[Galleleo]

GO USA

Those colours, in the order that Cops put them, is the reversed French Flag.

[DoTheFandango]

Those colours, in the order that Cops put them, is the reversed French Flag.

"Red White and Blue" is the order of which they are referred to in colloquial American sayings of and about the flag.

[Galleleo]

Red white and blue is also the Dutch Flag.

[DoTheFandango]

Red white and blue is also the Dutch Flag.

here's the point: (.)
where you shot: ( ).
YOU MISSED IT.

[DankNuggets]

dude, read what the fuck you are posting. this is the most stupendously ridiculous argument I have ever read. if you honestly believe that PSUEDOEPHEDRINE is natural, you are the most retarded motherfucker that ever motherfucked.

I'll quote you, yourself, quoting Wikipedia.

i know you live to try and trip me up dtf, but...

This is what i said in my post

Although pseudoephedrine occurs naturally as an alkaloid in certain plant species (for example, as a constituent of extracts from the ephedra species, also known as Ma Huang, in which it occurs together with other isomers of ephedrine), the majority of pseudoephedrine produced for commercial use is derived from yeast fermentation of dextrose in the presence of benzaldehyde. In this process, specialized strains of yeast (typically a variety of Candida utilis or Saccharomyces cerevisiae) are added to large vats containing water, dextrose and the enzyme pyruvate decarboxylase (such as found in beets and other plants). After the yeast has begun fermenting the dextrose, the benzaldehyde is added to the vats, and in this environment the yeast convert the precursor ingredients to l-phenylacetylcarbinol (L-PAC). L-PAC is then chemically converted to pseudoephedrine via reductive amination.[11]

The bulk of pseudoephedrine is produced by commercial pharmaceutical manufacturers in India and China, where economic and industrial conditions favor the mass production of pseudoephedrine for export.[12]

This quote proves that psuedoephedrine occurs naturally in plants. Quit ignoring this FACT. I stated that it occurs naturally in plants, not that we harvest these plants for production of sudafed.

YOU ARE TRUELY RETARDED IF YOU THINK THAT ANY MASSIVELY PRODUCED CHEMICAL, REGARDLESS IF IT COMES FROM PLANTS ORIGINALLY, IS PRODUCED "NATURALLY" IN A FUCKING FIELD SOMEWHERE.

This is response to TagMor's post, stating that I AM RIGHT that the ingredients of Vick's VapoRub are synthetically created natural chemicals. He incorrectly assumed that pseudoephedrine didn't occur naturally.

camphor, menthol and ecalyptol are all synthetic versions of natural
substances... psuedoephidrene is not.

See? Do you see? DO YOU SEE??

I never actually argued that Sudafed is made with plants. I in fact showed that it wasn't. Somehow you think I don't read what i'm quoting. This probably stems from you not reading what i wrote in the 1st place. Your fault, not mine.

How can you not understand this? Take your head out of your ass. FFS, no one has disputed ANYTHING that I've said and managed to back it up with evidence. In fact, yall are continuing to quote sentences from my posts that have nothing to do with the arguments and try to weaken my stance by arguing that "I'm not using quotes right" and somehow using colors incorrectly? Try attacking my stance that there are medicines (FOR THE THIRD TIME THIS THREAD) that actually work to cure a cold, instead of just treating the symptoms.


And, FTR, I fucking know how to quote. Which is easier to read: quote within a quote within a quote, or quote, italics, colors? Damn, and I thought i was making it easier for yall who can't read more than 3 sentences without getting lost or side tracked.


There's no debate here because no one's presented anything to show that I'm wrong. Hell, yall aren't even addressing the thesis of my argument, that a lot of OTC medicines come from natural sources, just like Vicks VapoRub. You'd have no easier of a time recreating vaporub from the plants that the active ingredients come from than making Sudafed from Ephedra. They're one in the same, and if you refuse to acknowledge that, than I hope at least everyone else can see how retarded you truely are.


P. S. : The reason drugs like sudafed are so heavily regulated has nothing to do with potential side effects. It has everything to do with it being a precursor to amphetimines and meth, when they are made outside of a lab. Hell the entire reason Austrailia is considering banning pseudoephedrine is because of problems with rednecks making meth out of it. I hope that explains some of this anti-decongestant hoopla.

[DoTheFandango]

of course it's a "natural" chemical. i mean, by that definition, if it exists it's natural.

high fructose corn syrup -- made of "natural" things... corn syrup and sugar, combined in a way to make a wholly unnatural thing.

[za gophar]

I have a cold and cough that I think are going to get worse. I would like to use this opportunity to try some herbal and alternative meds, because I ran out of the chinese stuff my mom gave me.

hit me with your recipes. I'll let you know if I live or die.

My remedies are the same as everyone else's, but I had a Russian physics professor who said that when he gets a cold, he pours a shot of vodka, and puts a spoonful of pepper and a spoonful of salt in it, and then takes the shot. I think you should try this and tell us how it goes.