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  • #16
    He was a brutal dictator but people weren't getting raped on the street corners, car bombs were not going off daily. He was a Middle East strong man, he was only that because he kept the society from falling apart. What has happened initially with the disillusionment of the Iraqi Army and police forces is anarchy (which was intentional to route out the Baath Party elements). And considering the unemployment, lack of essentials of life for the common Iraqi plus the sporadic violence directed at foreign personnel (plus the huge human and economic toll, both civilian and US forces) it's wrong to say any good came from it.

    Now this was not a response to any threat Iraq pose. The September 11th attacks were perpetrated by Al-Qaeda, which is an organization Iraq pre-invasion had no foot hold in and was widely distrusted and despised. The real threat of Islamic militancy was and still is in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the former is being lost because of lack of security and the later is seeing political strife and discord, not such a good thing for a nuclear power. Those elements were kept outside of Iraqi society because they were distrusted by Hussein and his party. Iran was also kept in line not being allowed to extend their influence to any regions.

    A small segment of the Conservative movement call Neo-Conservatives who are the cheerleaders of the Republican Party's Foreign Policy for the last 8 years, leading the charge to goto war in Iraq. They like most Americans are not happy with the results, cost or direction of that war. So their purposed solution?? Redo with Iran. This is why Obama choose someone with a traditional outlook on foreign policy as his running mate, not because it matters to a particular voting bloc helping him win the election or because he's young, old, White/Black/Mexican/Asian/Female but because he has the experience to get the US out of the nightmare this group has brought on the region and the American people, not to mention her Allies but I'll leave that out because you guys don't really care for <insert other western nationality>.
    Last edited by Kolar; 08-30-2008, 12:24 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kolar View Post
      He was a brutal dictator but people weren't getting raped on the street corners, car bombs were not going off daily. He was a Middle East strong man, he was only that because he kept the society from falling apart. What has happened initially with the disillusionment of the Iraqi Army and police forces is anarchy (which was intentional to route out the Baath Party elements).

      Now this was no a response to any threat Iraq pose. The September 11th attacks were perpetrated by Al-Qaeda, which is an organization Iraq pre-invasion had no foot hold in and was widely distrusted and despised. The real threat of Islamic militancy was and still is in Afghanistan and Pakistan, the former is being lost because of lack of security and the later is seeing political strife and discord, not such a good thing for a nuclear power. Those elements were kept outside of Iraqi society because they were distrusted by Hussein and his party. Iran was also kept in line not being allowed to extend their influence to any regions.

      A small segment of the Conservative movement call Neo-Conservatives who are the cheerleaders of the Republican Party's Foreign Policy for the last 8 years, leading the charge to goto war in Iraq. They like most Americans are not happy with the results, cost or direction of that war. So their purposed solution?? Redo with Iran. This is why Obama choose someone with a traditional outlook on foreign policy as his running mate, not because it matters to a particular voting bloc helping him win the election or because he's young, old, White/Black/Mexican/Asian/Female but because he has the experience to get the US out of the nightmare this group has brought on the region and the American people, not to mention her Allies but I'll leave that out because you guys don't really care for <insert other western nationality>.
      actually from several news articles i read, women were indeed getting raped, murdered, ect. They have no rights whats so ever. Cant vote, cant speak out.

      ps not here for a debate on iraq freedoms, so last post concerning this issue
      Last edited by HateTheFake; 08-30-2008, 12:06 AM.
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      • #18
        I believe that's common place in most Muslim and other predominantly religious states, women are not given the same legal rights or seen as equal to men. As for violence against women I've never seen any stats concerning domestic issues in these countries. I believe a lot of these cultures have a long way to go and that is seen especially in immigration from these countries to Western ones. But in comparison universal suffrage in the United States was not truly seen until the 70s and even though there are no legal restrictions on women in the West there is a cultural perception of inferiority, of women being sub-servant to men. Domestic violence is not a basis for invading and occupying a country, the Neo-Conservative movement is not one of social change but of economic security of previously contentious and conflict ridden regions.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Pandagirl! View Post
          I don't like either of the candidates. But since it's the first election that I can vote in, and I'm not a fan of not exercising my right to vote, I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils (McCain).
          hjlkfhaslfjs seriously?
          seriously?
          seriously?


          come on. you're in college now.
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          • #20
            let's be honest here - Obama isn't going to win
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            • #21
              I hope to god you're right.
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              4:scoop> cant tell if deez was trying to be a good influence or telling him to die LOL
              4:spirit> LOL
              4:Geio> LOLOL THINK HE TOLD ME TO DIE
              4:Geio> FUCKING DICKHEAD

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              • #22
                Originally posted by DoTheFandango View Post
                hjlkfhaslfjs seriously?
                seriously?
                seriously?


                come on. you're in college now.
                My thoughts exactly.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DoTheFandango View Post
                  hjlkfhaslfjs seriously?
                  seriously?
                  seriously?

                  come on. you're in college now.

                  She's from Ohio. Anything outside the Cleveland vacinity is like being in the movie Deliverance.
                  May your shit come to life and kiss you on the face.

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                  • #24
                    College doesn't start for a month
                    Pandagirl!

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                    • #25
                      9/11 was an inside job...9/11 was an inside job...
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                      • #26
                        I'm voting Obama. Better education, better energy and environment, strong with foreign relations, wants to buff up homeland security and fixate out of IRAQ. To Fix social security from what the bush administration did with it. And lastly to get the republicans out of office, they already had their fuk up two term with George Bush, lets not get another 8 years of that bull$hit.

                        and 0rb is right, Bush did 9/11
                        Last edited by Hercules; 08-30-2008, 01:32 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by HateTheFake View Post
                          actually from several news articles i read, women were indeed getting raped, murdered, ect. They have no rights whats so ever. Cant vote, cant speak out.

                          ps not here for a debate on iraq freedoms, so last post concerning this issue
                          hey I been reading articles about how american women are being raped, and people watching won't even lift a finger or call 911. I'm reading that they aren't allowed to abort the baby they were given because it's against god's will or something. Hey I read that along with men, that women are being killed everyday here in the united states of America.

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                          • #28
                            hate it. hate it all. all the faek.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Pandagirl! View Post
                              I don't like either of the candidates. But since it's the first election that I can vote in, and I'm not a fan of not exercising my right to vote, I'm going to vote for the lesser of two evils (McCain).
                              I don't want be to be an asshole, but really?
                              it makes me sick when i think of it, all my heroes could not live with it so i hope you rest in peace cause with us you never did

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Hercules View Post
                                I'm voting Obama. Better education, better energy and environment, strong with foreign relations, wants to buff up homeland security and fixate out of IRAQ. To Fix social security from what the bush administration did with it. And lastly to get the republicans out of office, they already had their fuk up two term with George Bush, lets not get another 8 years of that bull$hit.

                                and 0rb is right, Bush did 9/11
                                finally somone who's not an idiot
                                hey if Mccain wins give him a hi5 and see how he fucks up the US economy
                                foced into the army- dear God ppl would rather not die for a twat
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