John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[kthx]

Because it's obvious it is from a website.. even you saw it. Doesn't matter which website I use when it comes to history.. you can't make up history.

[Kolar]

So instead of giving some actual thought to it you just google "why did people follow Hitler" and do a search and replace on Jew with Bush?

[RednaZ]

History is written by the victor

[Galleleo]

It is obvious I am for Obama and not McCain.

All I am going to say though, all you people who keep saying flip flopper. If you have the ability to see that maybe your ideas were not good, or could be better and are willing to listen to others and improve your ideas. That is not a bad thing.

[kthx]

your missing the point that Hitler was a guy promoting change for Germany, who promised to fix everything and found a scapegoat for everything. He was a brilliant speaker and people loved him because he wanted hope and change for Germany. Just saying it sounds very familiar.

[kthx]

It is obvious I am for Obama and not McCain.

All I am going to say though, all you people who keep saying flip flopper. If you have the ability to see that maybe your ideas were not good, or could be better and are willing to listen to others and improve your ideas. That is not a bad thing.

McCain has flip flopped on some issues, maybe like.. 2-3 or so during his campaign and THAT just says that he has the ability to see that his ideas aren't good. But when Obama changes his entire campaign that he was running in the primary, and flips on 10-15 of his most critical issues it proves that he is too inexperienced to really know what he wants, and when he says something and the crowd doesn't cheer for it, that he needs to change that issue so that they will cheer the next time.

[404 Not Found]

As America continues to spiral ever downward, its citizens will begin to inevitably be split by racial/ethnic groups and the White majority Right Wing will begin to publicly blame the 'liberals', 'multiculturalists,' 'one-worlders,' and eventually 'minorities' for their increasing economic, political, and social woes. As history has shown, all disintegrating empires balkanize via racial/ethnic lines as they decline, and America will be no different.

That's history for ya, thanks for contributing and helping in making this a reality.

[kthx]

Why cry 404, I am sorry that Obama is running a Hitler-esque campaign. Besides I think that we like right wingers like.. Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice

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Why cry 404, I am sorry that Obama is running a Hitler-esque campaign. Besides I think that we like right wingers like.. Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice

Am just citing history bro.

I don't care either way, as I am moving soon. Colin Powell if you know your history then was a scapegoat used by your butt buddy's Rumsfeld, Darth Cheney and Bush.

Condi...she's a real prize huh. I want that to be on my honor list. Another lying scumbag appointed politician who has done nothing.

PPl complain about Pelosi...she is no dream that's for sure, but you had 6 years of fat ass Denny Hastert as speaker who resigned so he wouldn't be hung out to dry over the corruption, lies and scandals he knowingly hid.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

What new do you hear from Obama, its the same America sucks and only I can fix it bullshit that all the democratic tools over the years have used.

Please point me to concrete examples of "America sucks." Do you think America's in a good place right now? Do you really think we're on top of our game? If you do, please feel free to keep your head in the sand. The people who say that Obama is somehow saying that wholesale, "America sucks" are the same people who can't get over the fact that right now, America is truly hurting: the economy is in the shitter, we're stuck in two foreign wars, our domestic policies are becoming more and more restrictive, the middle class is shrinking, and we're becoming less relevant on the world stage by the minute. So where's this "America roolz" that you seem to be standing behind? To pull yourself up, you first need to recognize that there IS indeed a problem, then work to fix it.

First off you complain about our countries economy (which is doing fine) and then you say retarded shit like this.

Please, tell me how our economy is "doing fine." Do you own a house? My guess is that you don't. I do. The money tied up in my house is taking a beating right now.

Do you have a substantial amount of money in a retirement fund? My guess is that you don't. I do. I've never seen my TIAA/CREF account perform as badly as it has in the past 8 years.

The economy may be "doing fine" for the top 1%, but I'm guessing you're not a part of that, either. So please, shut the fuck up for the sake of not making yourself look like any more of a spoiled, suburban white kid.

Don't you realize that oil is the lifeblood of America. If we drill for our own oil and refine our own oil, build new refineries, drilling yards, pipe lines and everything associated with oil instead of buying oil from other countries that economy would be the best in the world.

Typical Republican rhetoric. Where's this oil coming from? Offshore? Shale fields? The fact of the matter is that even if you give the go-ahead to do these things, "America" won't own shit. Oil companies will. Who wins? Oil companies, again. They can sell the oil to whomever they want, and you best believe that they will. All "more drilling" will do is slightly crutch us for another five years or so (not to mention that even if we started going all-out right now, we wouldn't see any actual production for 5-10 years). It's not sustainable, and it's not the answer. You're right, though... oil is king right now, because we allow it to be. All Obama is saying is that we can (and SHOULD) change that.

Obama wants to make jobs building solar panels and wind mills, McCain wants to drill for oil and build nuclear plants, which would give America enough energy to run for the next 500 years easily. I don't see how you can be so ignorant.. how many times have I told you about in Houston, and in Texas where I live, WE AREN'T GOING THROUGH ECONOMIC TURMOIL. WE DON'T HAVE HUGE NUMBERS OF JOBLESS PEOPLE. Because we have refineries, drilling platforms, one of the largest ports in the U.S. and all the things that liberals don't want anymore.

This must be why T Boone Pickens has decided to invest heavily in wind power--because oil is so sustainably awesome, right? When even a former Swift Boater decides that renewable energy is the way to go, how can you remain so ignorant?

How can you not see that the U.S. drilling for oil and having oil is the reason this countries economy became so great in the first place.

That may very well be (although I'd argue that steel production was equally at play), but oil is a LIMITED resource. At some point (in the very near future, at this rate), there's not going to be any left. So we should just drill until we're completely dry, and at all costs? Then what? Is that the point where we go "oh shit, maybe we should've done something about this years ago?" Maybe it's time to try and actually prevent future catastrophes (both economic and environmental) BEFORE we get caught with our pants around our ankles.

It's your party that is destroying America under the guise of "saving the planet".

Again, very strong rhetoric without any actual facts or figures. How exactly is whatever Obama's "selling" going to "destroy America"? That's a great tagline for a bumper sticker, but it doesn't hold any water.

Any convention that claps after Al Gore talks are useless human beings.

You're right. I'd rather hear rants about how "the gays" are destroying my family structure. Or how terrorists are around every corner, just waiting to kill me.

My friends, 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11.

So basically your saying your voting for Obama because he is such a good speaker that he makes you feel inspired that America is a great place.

So which is it? According to you, he's saying "America sucks." If he's inspiring positive thoughts about what America could be, how is that possible? You can't have it both ways.

“those who are ignorant of history are condemned to repeat it”.... (Hitler rant)

Right, just how any speaker who was motivational to a large group of people eventually became a despot. Just like Roosevelt. Oh wait, I mean Lincoln. Oh wait, not Lincoln... I mean Kennedy. Oh wait...

Please, let's keep comparing people to Hitler to have yet to do anything even remotely facist. That's constructive.

[Dabram]

you can't make up history.

how do you think we get our historical knowledge? it sounds like you think history magically appears on websites as a god given objective truth about our past..

is this how you gather all your information and ideas for your great trolling adventures; from crappy websites?

[the_paul]

As if McCain's personal love affair during his first marriage didn't undermine his morals enough, your great family woman and strong parent Sarah Palin's 17 year old daughter is pregnant. Great morals and family values these Republicans are touting.

[kthx]

Please point me to concrete examples of "America sucks." Do you think America's in a good place right now? Do you really think we're on top of our game? If you do, please feel free to keep your head in the sand. The people who say that Obama is somehow saying that wholesale, "America sucks" are the same people who can't get over the fact that right now, America is truly hurting: the economy is in the shitter, we're stuck in two foreign wars, our domestic policies are becoming more and more restrictive, the middle class is shrinking, and we're becoming less relevant on the world stage by the minute. So where's this "America roolz" that you seem to be standing behind? To pull yourself up, you first need to recognize that there IS indeed a problem, then work to fix it.

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-salute.htm - Thats pretty much saying America sucks right there, heres a "concrete example of that". No we aren't on top of our game, we are becoming a nation of pussies and whiners. Too many people sit around and wait for someone to make fun of their group and then go out and cry about it until something is done about it. We can't say the Pledge of Allegiance in schools anymore, we can't pray in school anymore.. because anti Americans and athiests might get offended? The middle class is shrinking, but don't you think that... that might be because of oil? The cost of oil affects every aspect of our lives, whether it be food prices, getting to work, or even going on vacation.

Please, tell me how our economy is "doing fine." Do you own a house? My guess is that you don't. I do. The money tied up in my house is taking a beating right now.

Do you have a substantial amount of money in a retirement fund? My guess is that you don't. I do. I've never seen my TIAA/CREF account perform as badly as it has in the past 8 years.

The economy may be "doing fine" for the top 1%, but I'm guessing you're not a part of that, either. So please, shut the fuck up for the sake of not making yourself look like any more of a spoiled, suburban white kid.

Well lets see, as a 23 year old, no I don't have my first house yet, I rent, however I am already invested in my retirement through my 401k at work. And before you make another ignorant guess on my life, I was never a "spoiled suburban white kid" I worked since I was 16, I moved out on my own at 18, and have been since, and now finally I work for a large corporation and have a decent life. An apartment, a truck, a retirement plan. And you know what, maybe I have lost some money in my 401k, but I know it will come back, because that is how free markets work. Are you the type of person that goes out to the bank and withdraws all his money when the economy is bad? My guess is that you are. Hey, there is a FDIC now, so don't worry so much.. Now I suggested you shut the fuck up before you look like one of those stupid fawning Obama supporters who believes in his nazi vision of change.

Typical Republican rhetoric. Where's this oil coming from? Offshore? Shale fields? The fact of the matter is that even if you give the go-ahead to do these things, "America" won't own shit. Oil companies will. Who wins? Oil companies, again. They can sell the oil to whomever they want, and you best believe that they will. All "more drilling" will do is slightly crutch us for another five years or so (not to mention that even if we started going all-out right now, we wouldn't see any actual production for 5-10 years). It's not sustainable, and it's not the answer. You're right, though... oil is king right now, because we allow it to be. All Obama is saying is that we can (and SHOULD) change that.

http://www.energybulletin.net/node/31329 - We do need to ween ourself off oil, but slowly, and we still have at least another 60-100 years of oil left. So we have plenty of time to work on these other means of energy. But in the meantime, we need to go ahead and drill for our own oil. You are right.. we might not see production for another 5-10 years even if we started drilling now, but I think that we both know from when President Bush lifted the executive drilling ban that much of the price of oil is from speculators. I don't know about where you live, but it dropped nearly a dollar in Houston. Also, how long do you think it will take for Obama and America to come up with a solution for replacing oil... much longer than 5-10 years.. I don't know about you but I would much rather be drilling for oil while we look for new ways to solve the problem.

This must be why T Boone Pickens has decided to invest heavily in wind power--because oil is so sustainably awesome, right? When even a former Swift Boater decides that renewable energy is the way to go, how can you remain so ignorant?

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/2...-drill-it-all/ Even T. Boone wants to drill for all the oil he can while we build his windmills and other shit. Besides windmills have to be powered by other means during times when there is no wind. Basically every windmill has to be "covered" by another form of energy be it coal or nuclear in case there is no wind. On top of that, if there is too much wind they have to be shut down because the generators can't hold the energy it produces. Yeah, hes investing a ton of money into it.. because if the plan happens he will make billions of dollars doing it, there is your motivation. He wants to get rich, not save the planet.

That may very well be (although I'd argue that steel production was equally at play), but oil is a LIMITED resource. At some point (in the very near future, at this rate), there's not going to be any left. So we should just drill until we're completely dry, and at all costs? Then what? Is that the point where we go "oh shit, maybe we should've done something about this years ago?" Maybe it's time to try and actually prevent future catastrophes (both economic and environmental) BEFORE we get caught with our pants around our ankles.

We have over 100 years left of oil just in the reserves that we actually know about, and there might be more oil in the north pole than there is in the rest of the world put together. And yes we do need to drill drill drill until we are completely dry while looking for alternatives. We don't need to STOP drilling while looking for alternatives, that is a recipe for economic disaster. You think your suffering right now, wait until gas is 15 dollars a gallon and then you will look back at this time in your life and think about how fucking amazing it was.

Al Gore spoke just minutes before Obama at the convention, I am just assuming that he is fairly close in Obama's party is all. Besides global warming is just a hoax to further socialism. And I personally don't care if people are gay, if they want to be gay so be it. But I don't think they should be allowed to be married when marriage is defined as between a man and a woman.

So which is it? According to you, he's saying "America sucks." If he's inspiring positive thoughts about what America could be, how is that possible? You can't have it both ways.

I was quoting what someone else was saying moron. By insulting our president, even if he doesn't like him or respect, he should still call our president President Bush, not "George Bush". By refusing to wear the flag pin lapel, by changing the presidential seal to "yes we can" by being friends with terrorists, and racist preachers and pastors, and by having friends who built properties for poor families who Obama is supposed to care about.. thats how he is saying "America Sucks".

Right, just how any speaker who was motivational to a large group of people eventually became a despot. Just like Roosevelt. Oh wait, I mean Lincoln. Oh wait, not Lincoln... I mean Kennedy. Oh wait...

Please, let's keep comparing people to Hitler to have yet to do anything even remotely facist. That's constructive.

http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=5668622 - It's already started, Obama was having a meeting with some lobbyists and rich donation givers. And this guy was arrested for taking pictures of it. Wow.

[Broly]

Same here obviously, I don't want someone being the President of the United States that sat at a church for 20 years listening to racists comments about how white people are the true evil in the world, and listening to anti-american comments like "The United States of KKK" and "Not god bless America, god damn America". Or someone who wants to be the president of the United States that funneled money to Rezko to build low income housing that constantly failed to meet building code inspections. Obama wanted to funnel 14 million dollars to this slum lord who is now in jail, and was once one of Obama's friends. I don't want the next president to be friends with known terrorists, who thought that September 11'th happening was what America deserved because we try to save other countries from being controlled by dictators. I don't want our next president to be the candidate that leaders like Chavez and Putin want to be in control of America, because they know that he will basically destroy the military through lack of funding, and not actually be able to stop the expansion of terrorism and communism once again in the world, it is a weakness that many countries at odd with us have been waiting to happen. I don't want a president who changes his make-up depending on what kind of crowd he is talking to, darker make-up for black crowds, and lightening make-up for white crowds. I don't understand how people think that he is going to change anything, he changes his stance on pretty much every issue nearly every time he opens his mouth. He is running on a completely different platform in the election than he did in the democratic primaries, and his idea for change is making his VP pick Biden, a 65 year old white guy who has been a senator for over 20 years?

I hope everyone is ready for the Obama United States, the one where we can't say what we want (the fairness doctrine) the one where we lose the right to have guns (Supreme court decided it was ok by one vote, but Obama can appoint two judges of his choosing) the one where the people become so weak, and insignificant that they are afraid of everything, and actually want the government to intervene in their lives and livelihoods. This won't be good for America, it isn't the direction that will make this country stronger or better. I have heard my entire life the speech by democrat John F Kennedy in which he said "ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. "
.. Where did this become twisted and mutated into "Ask not what you can do for your country -ask what your country can do for you."

What an ignoramus you present yourself to be. McCain is a joke. He switches policies every week or so. His original campaign is almost completely different in policies and regulations he intended to enforce. Besides that, he's a terrible debater, speaker, and has the mindset of a senile old man. He's like the big father telling his son to kick some kid's ass in school if he looks at him wrong. Admittedly, Obama doesn't have as much experience as McCain, but atleast he wasn't stupid in choosing a VP that wants to disregard endangered wildlife in Alaska to drill for oil. I'm not some kind of extensive animal rights activist, but causing one problem to solve another isn't how things should be done. Besides that, he chose her because she has tits: let's be serious. I don't know about you, but I don't want some senile old tard running my country and teaching creationism in schools and fucking over our childrens education.

[Broly]

I'm not saying that I agree 100% with McCain... in fact, I disagree with him on lots of things. I just happen to disagree with Obama on more things.

I wouldn't consider myself a Republican or a Democrat really. My views are definitely a lot more liberal than they used to be (thank God). McCain is too conservative; Obama is too liberal.

For example, I think that we definitely need to get out of Iraq. However, I'm not sure that putting a specific timetable on it is a good idea. We went in there and screwed everything up, so we need to at least get a somewhat stable government in place before we pack up and go. But I definitely agree with Obama that we need to stop policing the world.

I looked up that candidate that Jerome mentioned, Bob Barr, and I'm thinking that he might get my vote instead of McCain or Obama, because he has more views in common with me than them.

Let's face it, you're voting for McCain because he supposedly has stronger religious beliefs than Obama. I bet you also think the world was created in 7 days and that some guy walked over water, right?