President Barack Obama

[Vykromond]

If the problem is just Palin, it's easy to fix quickly. If it's the latter problem, that's a bigger long-term problem for the party and will be much harder to fix.

it's both i think

jindal is p. charismatic but he's also p. brown so i really dunno about the palin wing going for that guy

[genocidal]

yeah Jindal def. = Muslam.

[Jerome Scuggs]

it's both i think

jindal is p. charismatic but he's also p. brown so i really dunno about the palin wing going for that guy

imo the "palin wing" will not survive four years... louisiana went pretty heavy mccain (which suprised the fuk out of me, though my city was blue), i think jindal's common sense outweighs izor republicans. plus he's actually got some pretty hardcore kudos with our healthcare, "During his tenure as secretary, Louisiana's Medicaid program went from bankruptcy with a $400 million deficit into three years of surpluses totaling $220 million."

i was actually thinking about getting involved in g.o.p. politix because now would be a great time to say "you guys are morons" and throw in my two cents as to why

[Vykromond]

you should do that

GOP badly needs smart people if it's going to be a viable opposition party

otherwise no matter how good the intentions of various democrats are it'll all go to shit after 8-12 years of rule

imo the "palin wing" will not survive four years

Let's hope so

[Jerome Scuggs]

you should do that

GOP badly needs smart people if it's going to be a viable opposition party

otherwise no matter how good the intentions of various democrats are it'll all go to shit after 8-12 years of rule

yeah, a big problem i see with democrats is for the past 8 years they have pretty much focused on "bush bad", they really better have a good backup plan to deploy when the world still sucks even though obama is president and they have control of the house. i'm not saying obama will suck... i'm just saying that the world sucks and obama's got a tough run ahead of him. tbh though, such a large task would probably, literally, have killed mccain

to me it seems like the GOP is definitely opening itself up to a populist flavor which presents that interesting paradox. they should get back to their roots. i remember it not being long ago that i called myself a "republican", then a "ron paul republican", but then it was like "fuck republicans". i see alot of conservatives being massively disillusioned and it's because their intellectual roots and their actual platform seem to be at odds with eachother.

if the GOP managed to revitalize and get a platform going which isn't based off of "obama sucks", if it actually has an intellectual merit to it, i could see great things. i think a major task would be to re-invigorate the anti-socialist fires... while also making very clear the danger of republican big-business ties. i think presenting a platform that highlighted a major, major weakness of the "neocons" - their mashup of politics and big business - would be something that would bring the GOP back to a viable position in the political realm without having to adopt a populist attitude to get votes.

the trick is, though, to get mainstream GOP guys to say "whoops, we were wrong". fuck me if that will ever happen.

edit: if palin isn't gone in 4 years, then imo... there's nothing in this country worth saving and we deserve whatever comes our way. sarah palin is a moron. i can't believe she made it as governor, much less VP candidate.

edit 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPQ_qRa6sg

come on, tell me decent human beings won't prefer that over palin... and then you find out he's like pretty radically against abortion and that seals the republican deal

[DankNuggets]

Yeah I saw it, but I wasn't sure if he was being sarcastic or not.

ok, from here on out, i will always use a different font to denote sarcasm. I think i said this before, so i will make sure to stick with it now. afterall, i'm on your side like 90% of the time anyway... - and btw i hope that comment at SC was directed at our idiot voter base, and not at me : (

just because palin didn't know africa was a continent (which i seriosly doubt) doesn't mean all americans suck ass at geography. Well, 80% of them probably do, but you can bet that i know all 50 states + capitals (a feat accomplished by 2 other people in my entire US gov't class in highschool ), most of the world's countries and capitals, and hell if you gave me a map of canada, i could tell you all the provinces and most of their capitals. I do have a BS in engineering, give me some credit..

yeah, a big problem i see with democrats is for the past 8 years they have pretty much focused on "bush bad", they really better have a good backup plan to deploy when the world still sucks even though obama is president and they have control of the house. i'm not saying obama will suck... i'm just saying that the world sucks and obama's got a tough run ahead of him. tbh though, such a large task would probably, literally, have killed mccain

the world is shitty, so Obama needs to not try to fix everything at once. That way, if he can only fix one thing, at least he can say "Hey, I fixed that remember? I'll get this one too, just give me time." Trying to fix the economy, Iraq, energy consumption, and everything else at once spreads attention and resources out thin, also leading those things to take forever to accomplish. As long as he doesn't fail on his first goal, he'll be alright.

to me it seems like the GOP is definitely opening itself up to a populist flavor which presents that interesting paradox. they should get back to their roots. i remember it not being long ago that i called myself a "republican", then a "ron paul republican", but then it was like "fuck republicans". i see alot of conservatives being massively disillusioned and it's because their intellectual roots and their actual platform seem to be at odds with eachother.

if the GOP managed to revitalize and get a platform going which isn't based off of "obama sucks", if it actually has an intellectual merit to it, i could see great things. i think a major task would be to re-invigorate the anti-socialist fires... while also making very clear the danger of republican big-business ties. i think presenting a platform that highlighted a major, major weakness of the "neocons" - their mashup of politics and big business - would be something that would bring the GOP back to a viable position in the political realm without having to adopt a populist attitude to get votes.

the trick is, though, to get mainstream GOP guys to say "whoops, we were wrong". fuck me if that will ever happen.

edit: if palin isn't gone in 4 years, then imo... there's nothing in this country worth saving and we deserve whatever comes our way. sarah palin is a moron. i can't believe she made it as governor, much less VP candidate.

It's a hard sell to go from "obama-bashing" to intellectualism. Especially when a lot of the higher educated already lean to the left. Don't forget that a huge base of the republican party consists of idiots (and democrats too) that would like to have a "common man" (read idiot here) as their leader.

I think you'd have an easier time being a democrat trying to instill moderate or republican beliefs into the party than you'd have as a non-right-winger trying to bring intellect into the republican party. You're going to have to win over not only the party, but the people. If you did it the other way, the people would already be more open to what you had to say.

[Jerome Scuggs]

I think you'd have an easier time being a democrat trying to instill moderate or republican beliefs into the party than you'd have as a non-right-winger trying to bring intellect into the republican party. You're going to have to win over not only the party, but the people. If you did it the other way, the people would already be more open to what you had to say.

It's because both parties now accept governments, they just debate over to what degree, and how. Remember, decades ago Republicans stood against a big government and for civil rights, which climaxed with Reagan's election.

The reason they had such a broad base was because they used a strong intellectual argument as to why they were truly standing for the people. It rung with people, but imo they failed to live up to their mandate and became more focused on "national security", which was convenient for all of reagan's friends but not the people.

http://change.gov/agenda/technology/

For instance, I agree with Obama's ends, but not his means. He seems to be demanding that people become open and transparent - by government decree, if necessary. The net neutrality bit really scares me, because of the rhetoric: even though it's free and open at the moment, the government should guarantee that by taking it over. I think alot of people have a distrust of government intervention like that and it would be smart to build the base up from those people, as the GOP did years ago - instead of being aligned to rich people and religious fanatics.

[Kolar]

I think technology is going to be one way they are going to push for more transparency in Government. There are several sites out there that track voting records of politicians but 90% of them are small scale operations and often do not hold up to date information. Another issue is with special interest contributions and lobbyists, if you have all of these stats somewhere in one location people are going to see pretty quickly that their Representative or Senator are more about getting that next trip or kick-back then working for your interests. I think Obama is on the right track with technology. He believes that just because it's Government doesn't mean it has to be inherently slow to change and inefficient. And he believes in reaching out to people like Google CEO Eric Schmidt to work with his administration on technology policy.

Big business completely wants to do away with the current Internet. They want it to be like TV, a one way medium. That's why network neutrality is so important. The grass roots level is for it and so are the big names in IT services (Google, Microsoft, Yahoo...). The argument is that it isn't free and open right now. Telecoms are interfering with the basic infrastructure and protocols of the network to their desired benefit over that of the needs and wants of their clients. If they will not preserve the "rules" which made it so successful and want to disrupt the lives of those who use it then Government should legislate away their ability to "manage" the network. The other argument is that Government agencies are already involved in policing the Internet and Bush Co. already reroute all network traffic through the NSA anyways. The idea of a truly free, open, unhindered global network, where everyone is on a fair playing field; died soon after its conception.


Edit: The Republicans are going to have a hard time for the foreseeable future. Their coalition of Independents, Religious fundamentalist and Corporate interest just fell apart. It will take more then an inspiring/intelligent leader to move forward. The party as a whole will move further to the right thus alienating a good portion of their base and push more people to a third party or to the Democrats. What they need to do is decide on which way they want to move and that will probably take them more to the center, alienating the fundamentalists. In the end they might have to secede from the culture war and/or shed the Nonconservative elements of the party which has driven their foreign policy for the last decade or so. They have to redefine the base of the party while removing the fringe elements that has steered it for so long.

If Clinton won the Democratic nomination then Jindal would probably have been McCain's choice for VP. Most people say the credit crisis in September did him in but Palin did contribute to the landslide in the opposite direction, by how much we probably will never know.

[Liquid Blue]

edit 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnPQ_qRa6sg

come on, tell me decent human beings won't prefer that over palin... and then you find out he's like pretty radically against abortion and that seals the republican deal

holy shit that guy's awesome

an election between him and obama would be tight as shit



EDIT--

Do you really believe that Palin doesnt know Africa is a continent?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnSS0dEv-RQ

A collection of interviews that Palin has done. These interviews are why I don't brush the idea off right away that she didn't know about Africa.

[Cops]

I really like Jindal. He seems like a) not a douche b) decent guy c) well informed and of course d) doesn't want to allow party differences to stop progress.

edit: and then i found out he promotes intelligent design in science classes...

[Liquid Blue]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108147.html

jindal why do you have to support intelligent design

you are a well spoken republican that doesn't want to run a campaign where you say one thing and do another

jindal please

edit- my bad i forgot Izor doesn't like huffington-

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08062706.html

http://crooksandliars.com/2008/06/15...ith-evolution/

[Cops]

I just watched a BBC Horizion Documentary called A War on Science. It was about the Intelligent Design fiasco that happened in Dover Pennsylvania. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone (pm me for link).

[Lucon]

What does it mean when Jerome stops punctuating and capitalizing?

[Salubrious]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108147.html

jindal why do you have to support intelligent design

you are a well spoken republican that doesn't want to run a campaign where you say one thing and do another

jindal please

edit- my bad i forgot Izor doesn't like huffington-

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08062706.html

http://crooksandliars.com/2008/06/15...ith-evolution/

"God caused the big bang. Everything that came afterwards can be explained using science."

That's pretty much all that should be said about intelligent design.

Historically speaking, mankind has always associated that which cannot be explained to God (or gods) until finding logical, scientific explanations to natural events and phenomena.

Ex.
1. God makes it so people can walk on earth without floating around.
2a. No that's gravity.
2b. Oh, then god causes gravity.
3a. No, gravity is caused by the mass of the earth.
3b. Oh. Well then god created the earth.
4a. No, the earth was created by natural astronomical events after our solar system's sun was created.
4b. Oh. Well god created the sun.
5a. No, the sun was created by millions of particles in the universe compressed into a single mass over billions of year.
5b. Oh. Well then god created the universe.
6a. No, the universe is theorized to be created by the big bang at some indeterminate time that spontaneously created everything.
6b. Oh. Well then god caused the big bang.

And since we don't know what caused the big bang, God would be our default answer until Newtonius Einstein von Copernicus III discovers what caused the big bang some hundreds of years in the future.

[Kid Kaos]

Oh yeah!!!! I was in the middle of a fat blunt when I saw California turn blue on the T.V. Then that hot bitch on the news said "Obama won" and I Choked and coughed, and coughed and choked and managed to say "OBAMA BITCH!"

This election will always be known as the Day that California decided the next president! Next will come The Day California Became Its Own Country! And we will say fuck you to America and float away towards Australia.

Then your fucked....... :fear: