Man one step closer to God?

[kthx]

Troll? THIS THREAD IS SPARTA!!!!!

[Exalt]

you're another conflict

and your a troll

[PaulOakenfold]

you're another conflict

[Izor]

We're at war right now? Its another conflict

Kolar youre clearly trying to push atheism because its obvious you think you know everything about the universe. Look at your posts here. You claim to have studied (aka know more about everyone else about) history, you claim to have (or at least pretend you did with your condescending posts) studied cosmology. In other threads you claim to have studied economics and political science. Taking Physics 101 doesnt make you a subject matter expert! Sorry to disappoint you

[Twerp]

Pretty sure the same thing happened to America during ww2, all he did is take his country to war, which in the past always brings about a great economy eventually. Because there is literally no unemployment, because there are jobs creating weapons, ammunition, etc etc etc.

What about right now? How's our economy?

[kthx]

As for exalt's depictions of Hitler's rise to power, he didn't do "nothing" for Germany. Whether you attribute it to Hitler or the industrialization of Germany, he turned a post war demolished economy into one of the most thriving in the world pretty damn fast.

Pretty sure the same thing happened to America during ww2, all he did is take his country to war, which in the past always brings about a great economy eventually. Because there is literally no unemployment, because there are jobs creating weapons, ammunition, etc etc etc.

Another question for everyone!!!! (Even the ignorant ones) If we do attain the capability to create life, which is not as far fetched now as it was, should it be regulated/illegal, and what are the implications of being able to create life?

We can only create life with what we currently have, no matter what you argue here, it doesn't make us gods by any means. Maybe we can build RNA and maybe one day we will be able to build DNA, but the building blocks to building them wasn't created by us. The materials we use to do anything isn't a human made substance, everything that humans make is just taken from what was given to us by god, and used. It reminds me of this christian joke (I guess) - About some scientist who was talking to god and was bragging about he also could create life, and so god created a life using some dust and breathing into it. So then it was the scientists turn, and he had to ask god to borrow some of the dust or something, and god said to make it himself. Anyways, even if we do manage to create a living being, it will just be using what was given to us to begin with. Nothing special, and nothing new about this.

[Summa]

I agree but I think it was shortsighted to claim that this brings us closer to any kind of divinely power, maybe so in terms of actually being able to design life but in an objective sense it probably wasn't a good idea. I can see how it could unset the religious segment of TW forums and spark unneeded amounts of bullshit.

Understood Kolar, but ya gotta have a ctachy title to draw the suckers in

As for exalt's depictions of Hitler's rise to power, he didn't do "nothing" for Germany. Whether you attribute it to Hitler or the industrialization of Germany, he turned a post war demolished economy into one of the most thriving in the world pretty damn fast.

Another question for everyone!!!! (Even the ignorant ones) If we do attain the capability to create life, which is not as far fetched now as it was, should it be regulated/illegal, and what are the implications of being able to create life?

[Exalt]

hey exalt europe is part of the "western world" hth

-- a distant roar heard from outer space

-- ur stupidity going supernova (so stupidity)

western world meaning western Europe and USA, used in my own terms, as eastern Europe can be considered asia in many respects

but thanks for your retarded and nonsensical reply, apparently none of you can reply with anything making one bit of sense or having any historical value whatsoever, thanks for proving me right

you are all terrible arguers, learn what your talking about before you speak

[Vykromond]

hey exalt europe is part of the "western world" hth

-- a distant roar heard from outer space

-- ur stupidity going supernova (so stupidity)

[Kolar]

Because those who are ignorant hide behind something they know.

I do agree with hand on the fact that this was a bit glorified, but nonetheless this is a huge ass deal.

I agree but I think it was shortsighted to claim that this brings us closer to any kind of divinely power, maybe so in terms of actually being able to design life but in an objective sense it probably wasn't a good idea. I can see how it could unset the religious segment of TW forums and spark unneeded amounts of bullshit.

[Exalt]

There was no such thing as "Germany thought they were superior". Germany's brilliance in war can mostly be credited to some extremely competent generals. The generals actually advised against going into Russia Hitler ignored his generals and went into Russia because he himself had lost his sense. If the generals of Germany didn't have Hitler to answer to, then Germany could have won the war. This isn't very relevant to the original argument in this thread, I just wanted to prove you wrong on the many faulty points you build up your arguments on.

Also it's a compliment to Obama that you think he is more like Hitler than McCain. Hitler is perhaps the politician that has done the most for Germany when you look at the internal politics. The political system that Germany is based on today is the same system Hitler built up, just without the nazi facism.

Stop trying to dissuade History majors of the truth and twist your ignorant opinions as the 'real' truth, even when its completely false by every measure.

Hitler did nothing special for Germany except for amazing public speaking and propaganda towards a very weak minded group of people still reeling from the Great Depression and the Treaty of Versailles and stirring up nationalism. Hitler did nothing for Germany in terms of politics except for create a dictatorship. Hitler's Nazi party was completely socialist and had no traces of democracy or of a republic whatsoever. Apparently you enjoy communism and socialism, being that you are probably from an eastern European country Noah, but the western world does not. The Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc all have terrible standards of living and all have dictators. That is not a good political model of government, sorry.

As far as Hitler's Germany not thinking they were "superior," you must be on crack. Not only the Mein Kampf but also the anti-semitic Der Stürmer were published by the Nazi party. Himmler's holocaust clearly didn't show they thought they were superior. Clearly. I mean the typical views of militant nationalists of time, such as opposing the Treaty of Versailles, having anti-Semitic views, and believing in the superiority of Germans who claimed to be part of the Aryan "master race" surely doesn't show them as thinking they were "superior." Surely.

I mean Hitler's whole rise to power was due to illegal activity, not because he was voted in on good conscious. He may have been popular but he never won more than 50% of any vote at any time in history. After a 50-50 tie between the Nazi Party and the KPD, another vote was held, and the Nazi's won only 30% of the vote. After that, on 27 February 1933, the Reichstag building was set on fire. This Reichstag fire was blamed on a communist conspiracy and the KPD's offices were closed, its press banned and leaders were arrested. Hitler had pushed forth the "Reichstag Fire Decree", suspending most of the human rights provided for by the 1919 constitution of the Weimar Republic. A further decree enabled preventive detention of all communist leaders, amongst many thousands of others. Clearly this shows great democracy at work, and a wonderful political environment as told to us by Noah the all knowing.

With the communists then gone, Hitler's Nazi party won 43.9% of the vote, and then started the "enabling act" which allowed the cabinet, aka hitler, complete control of all legislative powers. Not far from that did Hitler change every law he saw fit to place the Nazi's in permanent control of the government. Clearly that is democracy at its finest Noah.

I think you have a very small mind in things such as WW2, as your country clearly taught you half-truths and molded it toward your own nationalistic pride. Please refrain from speaking ever again on the subject Noah, as you don't know what your talking about.

[Summa]

Why is it then if I, HandofDeath or anyone else explains something you ask, in this case cosmology, you immediately jump to another subject then make some asinine comment about something like evolution?

Because those who are ignorant hide behind something they know.

I do agree with hand on the fact that this was a bit glorified, but nonetheless this is a huge ass deal. Even someone with a mere high school education in biology and genetics can understand how creating RNA is a significant advancement. While HoG downplays the actual difficulty of converting DNA to RNA, he actually has some grounds in doing so. Considering the rate at which science is advancing, it probably won't be all too long before they do pull this off.

[Kolar]

Why is it then if I, HandofDeath or anyone else explains something you ask, in this case cosmology, you immediately jump to another subject then make some asinine comment about something like evolution?

[Exalt]

Very wrong. These are easily explainable phenomena that occur commonly within the core of every star. It's called nuclear fusion, the combination of atoms into an atom with a higher atomic number. It's highly energetically favorable and produces massive energy (hence the heat and light that we get from the sun.. or are you going to deny that too?).

Basic astronomy students learn about how elements up to iron are produced in stars. Why haven't you?

and students learn in high school that natural selection is how they became humans and they are descendants of monkeys, of course the rest of science already proved this old theory false, but it's still taught in schools as a way to differ from any type of creationism

[Kolar]

The Peloponnesian War was lost due to natural disaster, I've read all of this before, I've studied ancient history and references back up what I have said (In 430, however, an outbreak of a plague hit Athens. The plague ravaged the densely packed city, and in the long run, was a significant cause of its final defeat.)

The hoplite formation used by other city states against Macedonia using the superior phalanx resulted in Phillp II taking power over the other cities.

And I didn't push a religious or philosophical point of view using Wikipedia, I tried to clarify the issue of perceived bias Izor saw in the scientific method and a number of theories.