What if life has not meaning?

[Jerome Scuggs]

Posting because Zeus posted, but has anyone told telcat that there is no meaning and she should kill herself

[ZeUs!!]

You mothers. I have to scroll to post 47 of this shit and it's the wrong fucking zeus

[Galleleo]

Guys, seriously

fuck

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

All I know is that Christmas is UNDER ATTACK.

[Galaxy Turbo]

You can either believe in God or not, and he can either exist or not exist, I think he does, but that's just me.

You live a good life and die, you either go to heaven or you don't.
You live a bad life and die, you either go to hell or you don't.

So there are three options, heaven, hell, or neither, but I would rather live a good life and eliminate the possibility of going to hell, I hear it's pretty bad there!

I know most of this post is just stating the obvious, but I wouldn't want people to completely oversee the basic facts.

[Exalt]

I don't accept this point because mostly what I see is people expressing their beliefs not bitching about how Christians or other religions are pushing their beliefs. If I'm complaining and should stop then so should you.

by me saying I think atheists are hypocritical in saying only religions or specifically christians are the ones who push beliefs, I don't think I was pushing my own in the process.... It was more just a jab back at the atheists who I always see these comments from. I know they are quick to defend themselves, but being realistic you know it happens. I think everyone should stop pushing beliefs... and stop trying to claim someone who believes in God is false... that is the wrong idea in all of it. I know everyone said to mega newbie "you are wrong" which is not a smart thing to say, considering how unprovable the afterlife is in the first place. Science can only judge what happens to life from its beginning and its end at death, but not the mind/soul/spirit/whatever. Science cannot explain the supernatural, and there are plenty of supernatural cases throughout history for us to judge that there is quite a large possibility of some of it being real, if we choose to believe in the historical cases. I might be wrong in my beliefs, but you most definitely are wrong too, if you base it only on science. The human race knows only 3% of anything and everything there is to know about the world, the universe, and everything knowledge based in general, and we will NEVER know everything. I might be wrong, but so are you, and that is the point. We might all be wrong, but at least I take a stand somewhere on the issue, rather then saying "not til I see scientific proof" which is pretty much saying you will never belief in anything, because science will NEVER know everything.

Did Soilderz and Xog mention christianity? No, they just mentioned god so that could apply to any religion. A lot of arguments against Religion could apply to any religion, so there's no need to be specific. They could also attack the belief in Zeus or Thor but what would be the point? No one reading this forum believes in them just like no one (or almost no one) here is Muslim.

Oh, cmon, this is a stupid point to make. We all know they were refering to Christianity, as that is what mega newbie was refering to. Sure, he could be Jewish, but I highly doubt it considering the jewish population in brazil is pretty small. As you stated, if someone mentions God on these forums, it is a good educated guess to assume they mean the God of Christianity rather then the God of other specific religions. God as a singular monotheistic view usually refers to 3 religions: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and all 3 pretty much use the same God in reference. The key difference is the viewpoint of how one gets to heaven, how one should interact with per said God, and how one should worship and reverence to per said God.

Its true that Stalin and Mao happened to be atheists but they did not do what they did in the name of atheism. They had other dogmas like Marxism that drove them to execute people they felt threatened their power. Certainly you can't blame Christianity for every bad thing a Christian has done either. Just like you can't blame all Muslims for 9/11.

Actually, communism as a whole has stated specifically that to make the people follow blindly with the concepts, religion has to be removed completely from the equation. Religion was viewed as poison, unproductive, and completely false by these people, and those who HAD religion were FORCED to either remove it, or face extreme punishment. Open a history book. No, you cannot blame everyone in any group of belief for specific actions, but I wanted to show you that atheism is not the be all said all peaceful mindset that atheists like to portray. Atheism is a religion just as everything else is, because it focuses on specific beliefs, and all religions have "holy wars" going on. Atheists just choose to do it by limiting how religion in the public as much as possible, because they are not comfortable being reminded of the possibilities of there being any type of 'creator' or 'heaven or hell'. If you want to look at it, this world we live in is a hell of its own, so if this is what you want to be your heaven, then have fun. Personally, I find that this shallow world we live in sucks, so I choose to believe there is something more out there. It is the same as those who believe in aliens and want to be abducted so bad, for those who believe in acid trip dreams like disorder, and so and on so forth. Everyone wants something better then the world we live in, and you cannot blame anyone for that.

I know how they feel I need to keep my beliefs secret or my State says they can put me in jail
http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-36.htm

This was probably your worst statement out of it all burnt. I would like you to go to MA and start "blaspheming" God and Jesus and see if you go to prison for it. This law was probably made 100+ years ago, and would have no basis in today's society. If you want to go into the history books, I'm sure you can look at every single country in the history of the world and you would find things like this. You should know history well enough that this point is stupid to make. You said in the earlier quote that you cannot judge groups of people for specific actions of a few, so why are you bringing this up at the end? That defeats your purpose, and once again shows you are hypocritical.

All I was showing was the hypocrisy of it all, and I think I have proven it. Thanks.

[Burnt]

My point is that as much as atheists always bitch on forums about christians pushing their beliefs on others, as you can see atheists push their nonbelief just as hard, if not more so. It is quite hypocritical, and so I would say stop complaining about it since you do it too.

I don't accept this point because mostly what I see is people expressing their beliefs not bitching about how Christians or other religions are pushing their beliefs. If I'm complaining and should stop then so should you.

I know atheists love to bash christianity more than anything, but there are other religions for you to attack also.

Did Soilderz and Xog mention christianity? No, they just mentioned god so that could apply to any religion. A lot of arguments against Religion could apply to any religion, so there's no need to be specific. They could also attack the belief in Zeus or Thor but what would be the point? No one reading this forum believes in them just like no one (or almost no one) here is Muslim.

Let us also not forget that Communist China and Communist Russia both forbade anyone from having a religion at all, and persecuted christians in those countries harshly, often leading to death. Atheism was their national religion, and no one was allowed anything BUT atheism.

Its true that Stalin and Mao happened to be atheists but they did not do what they did in the name of atheism. They had other dogmas like Marxism that drove them to execute people they felt threatened their power. Certainly you can't blame Christianity for every bad thing a Christian has done either. Just like you can't blame all Muslims for 9/11.

Christians had to practice in secret, otherwise would be risking death from the ATHEISTS who PUSHED BELIEFS ON THEM.

I know how they feel I need to keep my beliefs secret or my State says they can put me in jail

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-36.htm

[Broly]

Absurdism 101

There is such a thing as "meaning" or "value - Yes

There is inherent meaning in the universe (either intrinsic or from God) - Maybe, but humans can never know it

Individuals can create meaning in life themselves - Yes, but it is not essential

The pursuit of intrinsic or extrinsic meaning in the universe is a futile gesture - Yes, but the pursuit itself may have meaning

The pursuit of constructed meaning is a futile gesture - Maybe

[CaptainPoopface]

Once survival is in hand - food, water, shelter - the fundamental imperative of the human mind is to understand. It is a desperate psychological urge to make sense of the world around us, to assess cause and effect, function, and the relationships between things. It's the basis for our ability to learn and plan, which is the reason for the dominance of our species. In the absence of any explanation, because the urge to understand is so strong, the mind will invent an explanation, and fully believe in its validity. This is the genesis of all religions, and one reason for the strong correlations between them, despite origins in far-flung times and cultures.

For example, we really want to know what happens after we die, but it is impossible to know objectively, so we gravitate to something that accounts for it. Note that most afterlife scenarios involve the ongoing existence of one's essence, which is another imperative of the mind - to perpetuate itself.

It became plain as day when I realized these things.

[Exalt]

Atheists aren't the ones who take their children to a special building every Sunday for 16-18 years in order to indoctrinate them. I've never had an Atheist hand me a pamphlet about their believes while I'm walking down the street. I've never seen an Atheist holding a sign saying "THE END IS NEAR." I've never seen a TV channel that's devoted to talking about Atheism 24/7. But yeah all those atheists posting on internet forums need to back off and stop pushing their beliefs!

There are plenty of videos on the internet that promote atheism, but I'm sorry none of them have the funding to make a TV channel out of it or I'm positive they would have one. I've never had a pamphlet about Christianity beliefs given to me walking down the street either, so I don't know where your from. Also, an atheist believes in nothing, therefore why would they take their children into building on Sunday to indoctrinate them into believing nothing? This whole argument does not work.

My point is that as much as atheists always bitch on forums about christians pushing their beliefs on others, as you can see atheists push their nonbelief just as hard, if not more so. It is quite hypocritical, and so I would say stop complaining about it since you do it too.

2 people expressed their beliefs for a god and 2 people expressed their beliefs against a god in the first 10 replies. So no it's not true.

Aren't you the one of accusing Atheists of accusing Christians of pushing their beliefs and then doing the same thing by accusing Atheists of pushing their beliefs?

I said it was hypocritical of atheists to push their beliefs on non atheists when they complain that christians do it. I know atheists love to bash christianity more than anything, but there are other religions for you to attack also. It just so happens atheists seem to grow up in christian countries, because you won't find that type of thing in Isreal or Iran for instance.

Also, since we are going at it here, lets not forget that yes, christianity had hiccups, and catholics did a lot of shit like the crusades that was wrong.

Let us also not forget that Communist China and Communist Russia both forbade anyone from having a religion at all, and persecuted christians in those countries harshly, often leading to death. Atheism was their national religion, and no one was allowed anything BUT atheism. Christians had to practice in secret, otherwise would be risking death from the ATHEISTS who PUSHED BELIEFS ON THEM.


Oh its amazing how you can look at the world and find hypocrisy within all of it.

[Burnt]

Pretty sure atheists just got a taste of their own medicine... pushing ideology views on to others... fuck I'm right and you lose! Exalt 1 Cyrus 0

Atheists aren't the ones who take their children to a special building every Sunday for 16-18 years in order to indoctrinate them. I've never had an Atheist hand me a pamphlet about their believes while I'm walking down the street. I've never seen an Atheist holding a sign saying "THE END IS NEAR." I've never seen a TV channel that's devoted to talking about Atheism 24/7. But yeah all those atheists posting on internet forums need to back off and stop pushing their beliefs!

I mean, is it not true that the first like 10 replies to the original post says:

There is no God. Life has no meaning. hate to break it to ya mega newb but god doesn't exist. etc etc etc?

2 people expressed their beliefs for a god and 2 people expressed their beliefs against a god in the first 10 replies. So no it's not true.

I said the atheists are pushing THEIR views onto others in this thread, and keep doing so in other ones... the same thing they constantly accuse Christians of... which is pretty ironic and hypocritical

Aren't you the one of accusing Atheists of accusing Christians of pushing their beliefs and then doing the same thing by accusing Atheists of pushing their beliefs?

[Exalt]

did i misread or are you a christian blaming atheists for pushing their ideologies on other people? :O

just thought I would give you a taste of your own medicine


I mean, is it not true that the first like 10 replies to the original post says:

There is no God. Life has no meaning. hate to break it to ya mega newb but god doesn't exist. etc etc etc?


Pretty sure atheists just got a taste of their own medicine... pushing ideology views on to others... fuck I'm right and you lose! Exalt 1 Cyrus 0


oh and I'm not blaming atheists for Christians pushing views onto others... don't twist my words like you are intelligent

I said the atheists are pushing THEIR views onto others in this thread, and keep doing so in other ones... the same thing they constantly accuse Christians of... which is pretty ironic and hypocritical

[the_paul]

did i misread or are you a christian blaming atheists for pushing their ideologies on other people? :O

If you stop to think about it, this happens extremely often, only under the excuse of political correctness.

[Squeezer]

fucking homophobes

[Galleleo]

Fuck