Drug Thread

[Pressure]

SWIM did:

1. Marijuana
2. Salvia
3. DXM (polistirex and hybromide)
4. Klonopin
5. Xanax
6. Adderall
7. Psilocybin/Amanita Muscaria Mushrooms

SWIM'd have to say the most enjoyable of the trips had to be his Psilocybin Mushroom trip and his DXM trips. Marijuana, for obvious reasons, and DXM are his favorites. DXM had the greatest toll on his body for sure, and AM-Shrooms were fucking pointless, nauseating and a waste of money.

SWIM'd like your opinion on something though, PaulO. As of late SWIM's last Psilocybin mushroom trip, he has felt a great deal of awareness of the toll that drugs have taken on his body. He's 17, academically well off, and paranoid that he has messed with something in his brain. As far as the use goes, SWIM had binged on DXM twice, the trips were about a year apart form eachother, and he induced for about 5 days in a row [1 trip a day, 1st-2nd plateau trips]. He had tripped on mushrooms twice, salvia once, smoked marijuana consistently for two years, and tried the prescription medications mentioned once each. Something that must be mentioned:

His friend and him created something called "pplars," (pot-pill lars, don't ask about where the lars came from) which were a pot brownie without the brownie around it. Basically, pot cooked in highly saturated fat-oil (secret ingredient) and put into empty gelatin capsules. They were very powerful, sending a girl that he knew to the hospital with an anxiety attack. He ate 2-4 of these a day for two months. Overall, after the drug use, he has feelings of:

• Anxiety
  Depressive Thoughts
  Feeling of detachment (Mind-body)
  Feelings of being on auto-pilot
  Looking at his life as if it were in the point of view of a movie-goer watching a movie about their life

At first these feelings felt as if... well, I'll let an example explain it. He felt as if when in a conversation, he was unable to really get a grasp on where his conscious thought/motives were coming from. SWIM would be able to carry on a physical conversation without what appeared to be a train of thought, and they were highly intellectual conversations as well, in social gatherings and whatnot. Also, SWIM would feel that he was constantly waking up during these conversations, as if he hadn't been there prior, but really was because he was talking.

Because of these feelings, SWIM had been paranoid enough to inhabit Vitamin Shoppe (SWIM goes there pretty often now). At first it started as a way to increase memory functioning, because SWIM felt that was the most important thing he had lost in the drug frenzy. But as of a month or so ago, he's started a routine of eating organic supplements to help in increasing his overall brain function and bring himself back "into his life/body." The list includes:

Ashwagandha
Serotain (containing 5-HTP, Vitamin Shoppe guy recommended because he thinks that the detachment has to do with a legitimate case of depression)
FOCUSFormula

• Containing:
  Vitamin C, E, B6, B12
  Folic Acid
  Phosphatide Complex
  DMAE Bitartrate
  DHA Complex (Omega 3 Fatty Acid Concentrate)
  Ginkgo biloba
  Gotu Kula
  Huperzine-A
  Vincopetine

Phosphatidylserine Complex Tablets

Is SWIM over-self-conscious? Ignorant? Uninformed? Will this even help? It's been about a month, and there's been great improvements, however the marijuana consumption has dramatically reduced (SWIM hadn't smoked for 8 weeks up until after prom last weekend, he has been taking the supplements for approx. 5 weeks). SWIM feels the drugs that may have had the most direct impact on him have been the DXM, pplars, and overall mushroom use.

SWIM can tell you the incredible mushroom trip too, and his hilariously bad Salvia trip and DXM trips, I'm pretty knowledgeable on the effects, visual, physical, long term and short term, of all the drugs SWIM's tried and more, however, I'm very conscious and would appreciate some input from people educated on the topic. I don't think it's quite depersonalization disorder, any opinions?

[PaulOakenfold]

Dear Dr. Oaks,

You said you speak at colleges, what do you tell them about drugs? Now as a clean person who has been that way for some time, what are your opinions on the current worldview of narcotics?

With love,
bio

I mostly talk about the path of destruction I was on, then go on about the myths surrounding certain drugs, but the harsh realities it can bring for people like me. How to see this path, how to approach and help a friend or loved one that seems to be headed there. That sort of thing. I still have a lot of correspondence with the kids I met after some of my talks, and have made an impact on a couple of lives.

I think the war on drugs is pretty stupid especially in regards to marijuana. Decriminalization is not the answer, legalization of it is. I feel that with this age of information, people should be able to try and judge for themselves whatever pleases them. People are going to do them anyway, but they might as well have a clear and healthy approach to taking them... not to mention have a safer way of obtaining them.

I think that a lot is going to change in the next twenty years regarding narcotics, and it should.

[PaulOakenfold]

SWIM did:

Nootropics can definitely help. 5-http is great before and after taking X. Piracetam with some sort of extra Choline supplement is the probably the best way to increase brain function and it will potentiate all drugs and alcohol (because of the increased flow of oxygen to the brain). I'm not one for natural supplements, I'm not into organic food or anything, so I'm not sure what documented effects there really are (I'm assuming minimal). Just lay off the pot, be sober, and be happy. He's still young, and believe me, life goes on and it gets better for those that have taken drugs for too long.

[PaulOakenfold]

yeah, I meant more like is smoking/freebasing better than snorting or ingesting but that sounds cool too I guess.

There are too many fillers in pain killers to have it be worth it. If you want to remove the APAP however (which may have given you the stomach problems) read up 'Cold water filtration.' It's really easy and not time consuming.

Most pills will lose their effect after being combusted, and you do not want to be inhaling fillers. Parachuting is fine, but unless you hate the taste, it's not really necessary. I've heard people trying an injection, but you need something very pure if you're going to risk IVing anything. There have been plenty of cases of people clogging veins with bad heroin and dieing because of it.

If you've never IVed before, have someone help you with it for your first time, and do some research for sure! Needles are inexpensive, so please buy a bunch if you plan on doing it more than once (I hope you don't), please don't reuse them.

You could always plug, hahaha.

[PaulOakenfold]

i've done salvia once hahahah, it was hilarious.

Looking up at the sky was the most mind blowing thing, I saw the clouds turn blocky like even in the puffy way they are.

And then looking into the patio floor, i saw these people building the floor? NVM, CANNOT BE EXPLAINED.

A breakthrough salvia experience can never be explained. Except for maybe describing it as the world being a giant zipper or pages in a book. It's one crazy plant.

I loved the fact that when they researched it after it became quite a legal craze, that it binds to a once unknown and unused opiod receptor. That's probably why we can't really comprehend the experience, or at least that's my guess

[disorder]

SWIM did:

1. Marijuana
2. Salvia
3. DXM (polistirex and hybromide)
4. Klonopin
5. Xanax
6. Adderall
7. Psilocybin/Amanita Muscaria Mushrooms

SWIM'd have to say the most enjoyable of the trips had to be his Psilocybin Mushroom trip and his DXM trips. Marijuana, for obvious reasons, and DXM are his favorites. DXM had the greatest toll on his body for sure, and AM-Shrooms were fucking pointless, nauseating and a waste of money.

SWIM'd like your opinion on something though, PaulO. As of late SWIM's last Psilocybin mushroom trip, he has felt a great deal of awareness of the toll that drugs have taken on his body. He's 17, academically well off, and paranoid that he has messed with something in his brain. As far as the use goes, SWIM had binged on DXM twice, the trips were about a year apart form eachother, and he induced for about 5 days in a row [1 trip a day, 1st-2nd plateau trips]. He had tripped on mushrooms twice, salvia once, smoked marijuana consistently for two years, and tried the prescription medications mentioned once each. Something that must be mentioned:

His friend and him created something called "pplars," (pot-pill lars, don't ask about where the lars came from) which were a pot brownie without the brownie around it. Basically, pot cooked in highly saturated fat-oil (secret ingredient) and put into empty gelatin capsules. They were very powerful, sending a girl that he knew to the hospital with an anxiety attack. He ate 2-4 of these a day for two months. Overall, from this use, he has feelings of:

• Anxiety
  Depressive Thoughts
  Feeling of detachment (Mind-body)
  Feelings of being on auto-pilot
  Looking at his life as if it were in the point of view of a movie-goer watching a movie about their life

At first these feelings felt as if... well, I'll let an example explain it. He felt as if when in a conversation, he was unable to really get a grasp on where his conscious thought/motives were coming from. SWIM would be able to carry on a physical conversation without what appeared to be a train of thought, and they were highly intellectual conversations as well, in social gatherings and whatnot. Also, SWIM would feel that he was constantly waking up during these conversations, as if he hadn't been there prior, but really was because he was talking.

Because of these feelings, SWIM had been paranoid enough to inhabit Vitamin Shoppe (SWIM goes there pretty often now). At first it started as a way to increase memory functioning, because SWIM felt that was the most important thing he had lost in the drug frenzy. But as of a month or so ago, he's started a routine of eating organic supplements to help in increasing his overall brain function and bring himself back "into his life/body." The list includes:

Ashwagandha
Serotain (containing 5-HTP, Vitamin Shoppe guy recommended because he thinks that the detachment has to do with a legitimate case of depression)
FOCUSFormula

• Containing:
  Vitamin C, E, B6, B12
  Folic Acid
  Phosphatide Complex
  DMAE Bitartrate
  DHA Complex (Omega 3 Fatty Acid Concentrate)
  Ginkgo biloba
  Gotu Kula
  Huperzine-A
  Vincopetine

Phosphatidylserine Complex Tablets

Is SWIM over-self-conscious? Ignorant? Uninformed? Will this even help? It's been about a month, and there's been great improvements, however the marijuana consumption has dramatically reduced (SWIM hadn't smoked for 8 weeks up until after prom last weekend, he has been taking the supplements for approx. 5 weeks). SWIM feels the drugs that may have had the most direct impact on him have been the DXM, pplars, and overall mushroom use.

SWIM can tell you the incredible mushroom trip too, and his hilariously bad Salvia trip and DXM trips, I'm pretty knowledgeable on the effects, visual, physical, long term and short term, of all the drugs SWIM's tried and more, however, I'm very conscious and would appreciate some input from people educated on the topic. I don't think it's quite depersonalization disorder, any opinions?

"AM-Shrooms were fucking pointless, nauseating and a waste of money." lol but they make you feel like super mario according to asian people.

"Vincopetine" it's vinpocetine, otherwise known as perrywinkle extract. it dilates cerebral vascular structure. it's good if you get headaches from standing up too fast, or if you're old and black and think you're gunna get a stroke.

Phosphatidicholine and Phosphatdyliserine are okay but most of the time we can get our lecithen from normal healthy diet.

I recommend Norweigian Cod Liver oil with omega-3s DHE and DHA 1000mg four a day. human brain is 60% composed of these polyunsaturated fats. depression and conduct disorder are attributed to imbalance between omegas 3 and 6 due to serotonin deficiency. omega-6s compose 20% of the american diet due to all processed foods being made with soy oil. I recommend buying Salba chia from salba.com as well.
I also juice lots of vegetables and fruit to get the minerals. If you can afford it, buy blue green algae. I take Korean Red Ginseng and Cayenne too.

I love THC. It's possible SWIM was feeling depersonalization due to the second psychoactive in marijuana, cannibinol, the muscle relaxant. It can make you loopy as hell but still intellectually functional.

As for my description of brain freq resonance with earths background EM field resonance being a depersonalization...
You very literally have to take 1000 micrograms of acid, and you can only release that much serotonin once in your lifetime if you haven't before. At a critical point when your conscious believes your body is terminal, DMT releases from the pineal gland. You can occasionally still interact with the environment. I danced for a solid half hour between several girls with 0% self control. I would occasionally come to negative spikes and consciousness where I'd find myself hugging the girl tightly, and her passing it off like it was a normal part of the intensity. My very touch must have been electric. When I ran out of girls when the music stopped but I didn't notice, bad things happened. I had tried to go to sleep out of sheer unbearability and the physical maximization of my brain's height was the only thing keeping a personalization, whether it was conscious or not.

But yeah, if he has any serotonin related issues it's because of serotonin deficiency symptoms related to THC entering it's receptor sites being the same shape only slighter smaller. The homeostatic production rate decreases to minimal for some time, and lasts beyond your exhausted replicant supply.

Omega-3 and vitamins were given to a British prison and the violence rates dropped 35%. Conduct disorder and self destructive moods can be attributed to the polyunsaturated fat imbalance. Buy a $100 Jack LaLanne power juicer, get in contact with your local farmers market, and take those with Salba and omega-3 capsules while staying away from processed foods. When you come back to health, THC will be very welcome in small dosages. I like to buy a half a month, dry it under a lamp, crush/shave it all to powder with a razor, and take one-hitters once a day before I attempt to study or zone into the regular competitive entertainment. I like the detachment sometimes, but I know it means I'm minerally famished. The synaptic potentials rely on constant replacement of photon-compacted minerals from plants who get it from the sun. Blue green algae has a lot. Replace electrolytes instead of drinking plain water, and keep your circulation maximal, stretching and doing squats after long rests. Bring the electrolyte drink to sleep with you to chug so you don't interrupt your brain's recursions and transfers. Also a portable piss jug helps. More time awake when you don't need it the foggier it all is. Also make sure your intestinal flora are healthy by avoiding simple sugars and mold.

Yay personalization.

[Da1andonly]

why has n0ah not posted yet

[PaulOakenfold]

Dr. PaulOakenfold,

How long does weed take to clear out of your system from 2 hits from a wrap?

How much did you smoke in the week before? If you're fairly lean and usually drink plenty of water, it can pretty much be out for you in 2 weeks or less. 2 hits is certainly not a lot. You have to remember, THC is fat soluable, so if water is running through you, you're running or working out, and you haven't had much of it, it's going to clear out of your system fairly quickly.

Good luck with your test mate

[disorder]

One moreeee ting...lol animated jacky chan show reference.

make sure you get 10,000 lux a day from direct sun exposure. i think it's a few hours a day depending on your latitude. no more than an hour at a time unless you're black. try not to get the exposure from behind glass, like a car window. that blocks all the uv that helps your skin produce vitamin d, and only gives you the carcinogenic.

getting 10,000 lux a day for prolonged periods will ensure your melatonin reuptakes properly. does wonder for seasonal affective disorder people like myself. make sure you don't have pollen or dust mite allergen sources smothering your environment.

[PaulOakenfold]

I actually tried salvia a couple of times. Its legal, and a friend bought the highly concentrated stuff (like 50x, whatever vial) for like $50 a pop. Anyway, we both smoked it, and I had mixed results.

The first time I did it, I didn't trip at all, and I was like wtf. What DID happen was that I had UNCONTROLLABLE laughing for about 10 minutes straight. Everyone around me did, and it isn't the type of newbie weed smoker laugh, but like a laughing gas "jesus christ everything is funny" type of laugh. I can't explain it.

The second time I did it, the bowl that I was smoking it out of turned into a volcano somehow. The bottem dropped out and lava came out, so I hurried up and passed it over. I don't remember laughing like the first time, but I do remember the little volcano bowl trip.



I think the worst possible trip I've ever had was on DXM (robotripping). More so then acid or shrooms, which I have tried both, and shrooms many times.

Shrooms gives you that body buzz feeling at start, and then later on you trip. I always loved the tail end of the trip, because I always took them at night, and by the next morning (which I was always still awake) I would be in a cartoon world.


DXM, or Triple C's are by far the worst I've done. This was the stupid faze of my life when I did salvia too.. basically a way of doing drugs without getting caught in piss tests. In any case, I always had BAD trips on triple Cs, no matter what I did before hand to prevent it. I always felt at one time that I was going to die on them, and it always felt like a really "dirty" drug. Well, that probably is because it IS a dirty drug, since taking a box of them is basically overdosing on blood thinner to get a DXM trip. Oh well.

First of all, when I hear of a weak 'non-breakthrough' experience on a high potent salvia, I know people are doing it wrong. You should find yourself in another dimension, maybe a omnipresent voice talking to you, and lots of out of this world effects that you can't even explain when you're sober, or to yourself.

Second, DXM is a kiddy drug. Not in the means that the trip is not strong, but it's what highschoolers and young college students like to try as their first trip-like experience. Some people absolutely love it, but most, like me and you, find it horrifying. I could never get over the urge during a DXM trip that a dark presence was in my life, or controlling my thoughts. Not in a ghost like way, but in a very pessimistic way.

I have to warn you about Triple-Cs because of their other active ingredients. If you're looking for a 'clean' DXM trip (it never feels clean when you walk like a robot the next day) you have to look for pill bottles that ONLY contain dextromorphan. Other ingredients can make you feel ill, under the weather, ruin your next day, etc. Usually stores like CVS, Wallmart, and Rite Aide will carry store brands that have that as the only active ingredient.

I personally hated DXM trips, yet I still did it more than once. The same goes for Salvia. I just equated both first trips to 'bad trips' and tried them again and again with the same results. Damn was I stupid. Hey, if you enjoy it though, be safe, be in a good environment, and make sure DXM in those pills is the only ingredient. It does a number on you liver/kidneys, so don't be doing it more than once a week, or even weekly for that matter!

[Pressure]

I'd like to add to Paul's claims about DXM:

If you're searching for a product to trip on dextromethorphan with, you must consider the kind of trip you'd like. DXM-HBr contains a bromine compound which, when separated and dissolved into your body, can cause a bromine overdose (the name escapes me). DXM-Polistirex, is a product that has the DXM encased in molecular plastic so that when you're sick, the product's release is extended (extended release ). Basically, if you want an intense, lower-amplified-compared-to-MDMA trip, find a product with DXM-HBr. The other trip, with polistirex (primarily found in Delsym products) is for those who can't stand to down the cough gels, or can't stand the taste of cough syrup, for Delsym and other polistirex products taste fantastic (<3grape).

There's also the Zicam cough spray, which yields 15mg DXM per spray, so popping the cap off and drinking the bottle is a high concentration of DXM. Nyquil has some great product as well.

Product like Trip-C's (Coricidin Tablets) contain another active ingredient: Acetominophen, which you may know as Tylenol. 4000mg of this will break the threshold that your liver can withstand and it will shut down, this is what the primary cause of death is for DXM users, their lack of recognizing that Acetominophen will kill you (Coricidin has something like 3000mg of it in one packet).

Also, products will contain Guainefesin, which is a drug used to prevent kids from overdosing (tripping) on DXM. It's thrown in so that if you were to drink enough of it, it will induce vomiting. You'll still trip, but it's very harsh on your digestive tract and can cause a bad trip when you vomit.

Basically anything that literally only has Dextromethorphan HBr as it's active ingredient would be good for a trip. I suggest starting with the cough gels, as they're very easy to get down and one bottle is the ideal amount for a low-dose trip.

Inhalation of THC + DXM = Paradise

[disorder]

this is what the bust of Pickard led to. Shame on the FBI. i wish there was a gel tab in my reach for every other week. i'd probably enjoy the park like i was a kid again. govt just wants me to contribute to the system. all we want is vacation. if i were a professional athlete i'd do acid all the time. i wish someone could make a good name for it. they took that option away.

[PaulOakenfold]

Product like Trip-C's (Coricidin Tablets) contain another active ingredient: Acetominophen, which you may know as Tylenol. 4000mg of this will break the threshold that your liver can withstand and it will shut down, this is what the primary cause of death is for DXM users, their lack of recognizing that Acetominophen will kill you (Coricidin has something like 3000mg of it in one packet).

Also, products will contain Guainefesin, which is a drug used to prevent kids from overdosing (tripping) on DXM. It's thrown in so that if you were to drink enough of it, it will induce vomiting. You'll still trip, but it's very harsh on your digestive tract and can cause a bad trip when you vomit.

Well I'll disagree that anything + DXM is paradise, it's not for everyone, but it's cheap and readily available, that's for sure. GFsin actually has great health benefits in the amounts recommended on the back of a cold syrup bottle, but as you said, it's going to make your stomach feel like shit (and most likely give you diareha or make you throw up). It wasn't put in to keep kids from abusing DXM, it was put there to be an expectorant, which it is an excellent at. APAP can be taken care of with an easy extraction, but any cough medication that contains it will probably have GFsin and other things. Just look for active DXM only drugs, they aren't hard to find, but you may be carded, so you have to be 18. They'll usually come in pill bottles as gel caps, rarely as a liquid.

Take DXM easily folks, it's not great on the body in cumulative amounts. Have a trip and wait a while, take it easy, and read a book, don't be impatient and injest more because you think it's not enough. Don't take it if you are on SSRIs because you risk serotonin syndrome.

Sorry if I mimick any of disorder's posts, I've had him on ignore for a couple of days now. I don't feel like getting into a fight about this, especially in this thread, but he reminds me of myself when I was 20.

The best OTC you can get right now if you're looking for an X/Meth type high is eating the cotton swab found in the inhaler Benzedrex. Not sure what isle you'll find it, probably whatever the allergy isle is. I know a lot of companies have stopped selling it, but it's the best OTC stimulant you can get. It tastes like hell, so good luck finding a way to down it, but I'm sure you can do a little research on that stuff. My nephew does it during finals to help him study, but says it's a lot more euphoric than just adderal, yet has the same speedy effect.

[disorder]

In 1963 William Pickard was a finalist in the Westinghouse Science Talent Search (currently known as the Intel Science Talent Search). His project was on "Radiobiologic and Contractile Sol-Gel Flow Mechanisms in Pinocytosis".

Sol-gel derived materials have diverse applications in optics, electronics, energy, space, (bio)sensors, medicine (e.g., controlled drug release), reactive material and separation (e.g., chromatography) technology.
The mechanisms of hydrolysis and condensation, and the factors that bias the structure toward linear or branched structures are the most critical issues of sol-gel science and technology.
If the liquid in a wet gel is removed under a supercritical condition, a highly porous and extremely low density material called aerogel is obtained.



so thats how they make aerogel. i think pickard was onto something great. maybe he had ideas to use the lsd for extracellular controlled drug release, so we could maintain a week trip at a time, etc.

extracellular fluid, renewed at key intervals can make cells last forever. dr. alexis carrel won the nobel prize for discovering this. i think sol-gel medicine and drugs will be the new era of longevity and euphoria.

yay, paul has me on ignore so i can use his drug post freely.

[DoTheFandango]

Salvia really wasn't fun. I tripped balls but honestly thought I was dying. This is what I wrote my friend last night on my blackberry:

> I domed 20x salvia from a bong last night and was thrown into another dimension. I tripped so hard I tore the curtains off my wall.
>
> Reports say that I laughed for 2 mins straight then looked around really concerned and just started screaming like I was being thrown off of the grand canyon.
>
> What I saw was my body rotating on the universe's axis being torn between two dimensions. My mind wanted to go to the infinite (time) but body wanted to stay in the physical 3rd dimension.
>
> The simpsons were there. They said that TV and cartoons are just trapped souls of writers in a dimension and world of their own that they can never escape. Needless to say, I'm never doing that again.