Kennedy Health Care Reform Bill.

[kthx]

It doesn't matter anyways, the bill tanked.

Good game liberal faggots.

[Mattey]

The regulations and baffling rig-a-ma-roll comes from collusion between the insurance companies and the gubment. This is why a single-payer system where the insurance companies are entirely eliminated makes the most sense. No bullshit paperwork, no profiting off of people's bad health.

[Mattey]

It doesn't matter anyways, the bill tanked.

Good game liberal faggots.

The bill tanked because democrats didn't want it to pass. No politician wanted it to pass. Every politician gets money from insurance companies. Polls repeatedly show that most Americans are for a single-payer system. No politician cares what's best for people.

[kthx]

are you fucking stupid, no polls show that America wants a single payer system. Go look at Rasmussen or a legitimate polling website and find me anything that says that. And it isn't because politicians are in bed with insurance companies, it is because there are elections in 2010 and if they passed it they would all be fucking sent packing.

[Mattey]

[quote]Americans are more likely today to embrace the idea of the government providing health insurance than they were 30 years ago. 59% say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems.
In January 1979, four in 10 thought the federal government should provide national insurance. Back then, more Americans thought health insurance should be left to private enterprise.
HEALTH INSURANCE: PRIVATE ENTERPRISE VS. GOVERNMENT?
CBS/NYT CBS/NYT
Now 1/1979
Private enterprise 32% 48%
Government – all problems 49 28
Government – emergencies 10 12
Don’t know 9 12

According to this (http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Su...in;contentBody) poll, the majority is in favor of the government handling all problems having to do with health insurance.

This poll was conducted among a random sample of 1,112 adults nationwide, interviewed by telephone January 11-15, 2009. Phone numbers were dialed from RDD samples of both standard land-lines and cell phones. The error due to sampling for results based on the entire sample could be plus or minus three percentage points. The error for subgroups is higher.

And I'm looking for the Gallup poll from 2007 that showed 60% in favor of a single-payer system. Of course this was before the GOP noise machine started spewing bullshit about taking away medicaid and death panels.

Edit: I'm a phpbb newb, so I can't get it to display correctly. So, just click the link and scroll down. I'll post the gallup poll when I find it.


Another poll with it's methodology described : http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7943.pdf

Most important part : Do you favor or oppose, "Having a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance through an expanded, universal form of Medicare-for all?"
Favor 58%, Oppose 38%, NA/DK 3%

[kthx]

Yeah thanks for the 30 year old poll and the two year old poll, those are very important when it comes to this version of the health care bill. How about something from 2009, and not from a pro liberal or pro conservative website (IE CBSnews if you want a liberal point and Foxnews if you want a conservative point) For instance... a polling website that is non partisan.

I mean seriously this is the best you can do, you should have just quit after searching for 30 minutes and finding 32 years worth of old polls.

[Mattey]

Lawl, that took me 5 minutes. I don't spend most of my time in the general discussion thread.

[Mattey]

Yeah thanks for the 30 year old poll and the two year old poll,

The 'now' was from January of this year.

And the second link I posted is from July of this year.

Edit: and the reason I'm going to include the poll from 2007 is to show that support for single-payer health care has been a trend.

Edit 2: Another poll with it's methodology shown from January, 2009 : http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/PollMemo.pdf

It was conducted by the Grove Insight Opinion Research. This is the most relevant part: "When given a choice of the current system or one "like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers," voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. A solid majority (59%) say they would prefer a national health insurance program that covers everyone, over the current system of private insurance offered to most through their employer."

[kthx]

Are you seriously seriously that stupid.

There is a difference between "REFORMING HEALTH CARE" and creating a government run health care.

[Mattey]

Most important part : Do you favor or oppose, "Having a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance through an expanded, universal form of Medicare-for all?"
Favor 58%, Oppose 38%, NA/DK 3%

This is clearly talking about universal health-care for everyone paid by the government.

" voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. A solid majority (59%) say they would prefer a national health insurance program that covers everyone, over the current system of private insurance offered to most through their employer."

Is also clearly talking about a single-payer plan.

What are you talking about?

Both polls are from this year.

EDIT: http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7943.pdf

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/PollMemo.pdf

These are the two polls, posting again for easy access.

[kthx]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...care_57_oppose

I don't know about you but I trust a true pollster over some website called "kaiser"

[Mattey]

It's not that I trust them, it's that they show their methodology. Where is their methodology? I read through that article and don't see anything about it. Why do you trust Rasmussen? Is it because you agree with the conclusions they reach?

It shows the questions they ask, but not the number of people they asked, or how they went about asking them.

[genocidal]

Who cares what polls show? Politicians don't unless it helps them.

[Mattey]

Ding ding ding ding ding

[genocidal]

And that's to say nothing of the worth of the average person's opinion on anything remotely complex.