ITT Izor's gov't sponsored doctor fails again

[Mattey]

Our tax dollars pay for his health care because he goes to foreign countries that we are at war with and fights and/or helps fight enemies to our country which lets us all relax and enjoy our freedoms.

Wait, do you actually believe this?

[kthx]

What do you believe, whether you liked Bush or Obama the same wars are happening, we just shifted the balance of troops from one country to the other.

Obviously regardless of your political party you think one of the wars is ok, and unless you think that there weren't terrorist organizations in either of those countries in which case you are ignorant then you would understand it.

[Mattey]

Yeah, I forgot, everything is either black or white. Haha, you're like a child.

[Izor]

Do I need to explain the war in Afghanistan again?

The fighting with the Afghanis there was mild when I was there in early '08, because the foreign organizations were focused more on making our war in Iraq a fruitless effort. They had some success with that, and now that we have pulled out of Iraq and moved to Afghanistan their focus has shifted along with it. Now you are seeing a lot more fighting from the same organizations, but two countries over. Does that not make sense to you? The local Afghanis were never the problem...it was always the foreign fighters, same as Iraq.

As for military healthcare, tricare has its obvious upsides and downsides. The upside is that it is no cost to the member (or retiree or dependents) and motrin is better than nothing. You're very well taken care of for routine procedures like wisdom tooth removal and such. The downside is that the military has a reputation of long wait times and not hiring the most skilled doctors. This is more simple economics than poor recruiting, because someone who is a very talented doctor is not usually going to throw that talent away for O-5 pay (plus whatever special pay docs get) when they can make hundreds of thousands in a civilian hospital.

[Mattey]

So, I ask again, why don't you pay for private health care, the OPTION is still there, right?

[Izor]

Cause I'm not rich, and I dont have that kind of money to spend on that type of healthcare so I get what I get. I'm not really whining about this for my sake I'm whining about it because I dont want the same type of healthcare applied to the rest of the country to include my friends and family. I've stated this numerous times before

You are under the impression that government provided healthcare is the best thing ever and I'm giving you a story directly from whats happening to me as to why it isnt.

[Mattey]

So, you'd rather them have no health care?

[Izor]

Too bad they have good enough jobs and subsequently have healthcare that doesnt suck.

And by 'good enough jobs' im not referring to my dad who has a 6 figure job, I'm talking about normal, above-mcdonalds-but-less-than-career jobs

[Mattey]

Oh, so everyone else you know can afford private health care... but you can't? Why do you think this is the case?

Edit: do you think it's from laziness?

[Jerome Scuggs]

I just keep forgetting izor and kthx are two seperate people and what I imagine is a schizo war vet running from computer to computer

[Kolar]

Do I need to explain the war in Afghanistan again?

The fighting with the Afghanis there was mild when I was there in early '08, because the foreign organizations were focused more on making our war in Iraq a fruitless effort. They had some success with that, and now that we have pulled out of Iraq and moved to Afghanistan their focus has shifted along with it. Now you are seeing a lot more fighting from the same organizations, but two countries over. Does that not make sense to you? The local Afghanis were never the problem...it was always the foreign fighters, same as Iraq.

Actually Izor the Taliban are made up of the local population, those who believe in a strict interpretation of sharia law. The Taliban did harbor "foreign fighters", Al-Qaeda and that's why we retaliated against them initially after 9/11 to destroy Al-Qaeda and their allies power base. But the mission in Afghanistan was and still is about removing the Taliban extremist which is no easy task given that they can hide within the local population easily.

Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda and was not harboring them. Whatever elements of Al-Qaeda exist in Iraq today (~%7 of the insurgency) are tolerated by the local insurgency and were not there before Baghdad fell. Whenever the Coalition forces leave completely Al-Qaeda will be decimated. By shifting troops and resources from destroying Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan to Iraq in 2003 we allowed the Taliban to regroup and now the situation there is much worse for the local population and Al-Queda is still a threat.

[Epinephrine]

I just keep forgetting izor and kthx are two seperate people and what I imagine is a schizo war vet running from computer to computer

LOL I was thinking the same thing Jerome.

[Epinephrine]

As for military healthcare, tricare has its obvious upsides and downsides. The upside is that it is no cost to the member (or retiree or dependents) and motrin is better than nothing. You're very well taken care of for routine procedures like wisdom tooth removal and such. The downside is that the military has a reputation of long wait times and not hiring the most skilled doctors. This is more simple economics than poor recruiting, because someone who is a very talented doctor is not usually going to throw that talent away for O-5 pay (plus whatever special pay docs get) when they can make hundreds of thousands in a civilian hospital.

Well it also kind of sucks to be in the military, so not enough skilled people actually join it.

[Izor]

Actually Izor the Taliban are made up of the local population, those who believe in a strict interpretation of sharia law. The Taliban did harbor "foreign fighters", Al-Qaeda and that's why we retaliated against them initially after 9/11 to destroy Al-Qaeda and their allies power base. But the mission in Afghanistan was and still is about removing the Taliban extremist which is no easy task given that they can hide within the local population easily.

Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda and was not harboring them. Whatever elements of Al-Qaeda exist in Iraq today (~%7 of the insurgency) are tolerated by the local insurgency and were not there before Baghdad fell. Whenever the Coalition forces leave completely Al-Qaeda will be decimated. By shifting troops and resources from destroying Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan to Iraq in 2003 we allowed the Taliban to regroup and now the situation there is much worse for the local population and Al-Queda is still a threat.

I wonder where you get your information from, because my sources are quite a bit more reliable than yours

[Mattey]

Who are your sources?