Job hopping - the defense

[Ilya]

money isn't everything but i'd rather be depressed in a mercedes-benz than a honda civic, you dig

[Ilya]

that was deep as fuck, huh

[Jedi DC]

i'd rather be depressed in car that doesn't waste lots of gas.

[Ephemeral]

I'm i still one of the only people who things money isn't everything? Sure it's nice and all, but as long as i can feed, cloth and keep a roof over my family's head then i'm a success. I'd rather enjoy what i do and stay at one place where you enjoy your co workers and what you do making less money, than job hopping just for a pay raise.

People say that money isn't the key to happiness, but isn’t it true that if you have enough money you can have a key made?

But seriously, this is the trend I’ve notice about this topic. People who at a younger age don’t have a lot of money/material things have the opportunity to learn to be happy without them. Not everyone does this, and even fewer probably even realize that they have accomplished this perspective, but what a great perspective it is to have learned. Although I’ve talked with TelCat over the years I don’t what socio-demographic characteristics she was raised under, but I would say that she definitely doesn’t not have this perspective. I would say that she isn’t sure at all she can be happy with little or no material things. It is a shame that society does not value this ability, learning that you can be happy without these things can really help you throughout your entire life. And it is truly a learning process, we are all ‘programmed’ in the opposite direction for our entire lives. We are inundated with marketing from every direction, all with the same message “buy our stuff because this what you really want and/or need”.

Frankly I do believe that having money provides the ability to avoid having to do things that you might not enjoy or want to do. So to be fair I think it can be said that in some ways having money offers increased opportunity to be happy. But this is different than learning that you can be happy without it.

[Epinephrine]

People say that money isn't the key to happiness, but isn’t it true that if you have enough money you can have a key made?

But seriously, this is the trend I’ve notice about this topic. People who at a younger age don’t have a lot of money/material things have the opportunity to learn to be happy without them. Not everyone does this, and even fewer probably even realize that they have accomplished this perspective, but what a great perspective it is to have learned. Although I’ve talked with TelCat over the years I don’t what socio-demographic characteristics she was raised under, but I would say that she definitely doesn’t not have this perspective. I would say that she isn’t sure at all she can be happy with little or no material things. It is a shame that society does not value this ability, learning that you can be happy without these things can really help you throughout your entire life. And it is truly a learning process, we are all ‘programmed’ in the opposite direction for our entire lives. We are inundated with marketing from every direction, all with the same message “buy our stuff because this what you really want and/or need”.

Frankly I do believe that having money provides the ability to avoid having to do things that you might not enjoy or want to do. So to be fair I think it can be said that in some ways having money offers increased opportunity to be happy. But this is different than learning that you can be happy without it.

As much as material things don't equate to happiness, it's really really nice to have enough money so that you know for sure you'll never go hungry, you will be able to take care of your aging parents, your kids won't miss opportunities because you're too poor and that you will retire comfortably without being a burden to anyone else, and will generally never have to struggle to make ends meet ever again. Having enough to once in a while do things you want to do without really worrying too much is a huge plus as well. To do all of this without killing yourself working non-stop is the ideal.

It does not take massive amounts of money to do this, but generally just good money management and hard work targeted correctly will help achieve this. I think having that level of money is good enough. While a Mercedes is nice, I think having enough money to never worry about having to fill up my tank, pay for my car payments, or pay for parking for my Honda Civic is pretty sweet.

[Pandagirl!]

I propose that either Epinephrine or Ephemeral should put up an avatar to avoid confusion.

[T3l Ca7]

Epinephrine: I am not depressed, it does not bother me much if my so called 'career' isn't going anywhere AS LONG as I live my life fully and happily every day ... and be in a new environment every second year makes life more interesting.

Ephemeral: thought you were the one who kept on telling people money was important ... ditched your own principal to attack me, you sure didn't do a very convincing job :fear:

As I have said my aim is not money, but having money would help me to reaching my goal which requires way more than just money.

And I don't live in the vacuum, I love lobsters and they cost more than $30 a Kilo here. I enjoy ocean swim and hiking, but I need the petrol in the car which drives me to the beach and plane ticket to the Canadian rocky does not fall from sky by itself.

The first thing I look at in a job is how interesting it shall be, for I spend more than 40 hours a week doing it. But I also need to make sure I have enough cash to enjoy the rest 100+ hours.

[Ephemeral]

Ephemeral: thought you were the one who kept on telling people money was important ... ditched your own principal to attack me, you sure didn't do a very convincing job :fear:

Saying someone might not have learned how to be happy without material things is not an attack in any way (but perhaps it is telling that you took it that way). As I said, I think that learning that you can be happy without material things is a great thing, but I never said that is the way everyone ought to be. This is the context of my statement, “I would say that she isn’t sure at all she can be happy with little or no material things.” I based this upon the times you have engaged me with questions regarding your career and job history. The conversation always seemed to be about ‘what was in it for you’. I see no need to be defensive about this, I considered it honesty. You were being honest when you started this topic with a similar theme. But note that I do not feel that there is anything wrong with having a strong drive to be wealthy. In fact, it is how I have lived my life. But I consider the highest use of wealth not simply make more and more money but rather to use wealth for the betterment of life. In this I find happiness.

[Ephemeral]

I propose that either Epinephrine or Ephemeral should put up an avatar to avoid confusion.

Done, plus everyone can now see that i am indeed an old hippy. Err wait, some think that I am an arrogant capitalist, Ill have to see if I can find a pic of me in a suit.

[Ilya]

eph and epi will always be the same person

[Zeebu]

ilya has a job hoppin

hippin n hoppin

[Xog]

just refer to them as epinepheral, that's what i do

[the_paul]

And we all want to be just like xog

[Epinephrine]

Epinephrine: I am not depressed, it does not bother me much if my so called 'career' isn't going anywhere AS LONG as I live my life fully and happily every day ... and be in a new environment every second year makes life more interesting.

You've always sounded kind of depressive to me, with all your random posts on this board and your semi-philosophical questions about what the point of life was, what the point or working was and so on.

Anyway if you want my honest opinion about job hopping, I think it's fine up to a limit. Eventually you will need some sort of commitment if you want to further yourself or your career past a certain point. Also your continuous changing of your job shows that you are always 'striving' for something which you yourself probably aren't even sure of, and it's a sure bet that you won't find it either because it looks like you'll never be happy.

[Epinephrine]

I propose that either Epinephrine or Ephemeral should put up an avatar to avoid confusion.

I think I had one until we changed to this new board a few months (?) ago. Oh well looks like Eph beat me to it so it doesn't matter!

I also have a Sig and he doesn't