Religion is bullshit

[Tigron-X]

Tigron I get it, you don't trust religion. They've told lies and spread a lot of evil and try to justify their actions with fancy propaganda and yatta yatta yatta.... I get it.

Yet you are coming off arrogant to a lot of people here explaining everything as if you had all the answers. Tell me what is the truth? Really I would like to know. Absolute truth too, not just the shit you can find in textbooks, because those are written by man and man only has so much knowledge that is limited.

The truth regarding what? Your purpose in life? What?

People choose religion because it is easy. It's easy to help them escape. Now why don't they go to some therapy? Or do drugs?!?? or fucking meditate or seek the truth themselves.

You don't understand that maybe those people already did all of that. And yet they never found their answer. They are still searching, or maybe they are just lost. Religion offers security. It offers community. It offers a chance to feel wanted and to be apart of something that is bigger than them.

I do not believe in religion, but I believe in the idea. I do not like how they went about their business for the "greater good" but I don't see why people shouldn't believe in what they want to because you don't believe in it. Nor vice versa where they should hate you for not believing in what they believe in.

Yes, it does provide an escape, but from reality -- which is not good if you value truth, virtue, and integrity.

I'm sure many have attempted to find "answers." It's not easy in a world full of lies and superstitions and illusions. But, that's exactly why you don't turn to religion. Religion demands obedience and does not provide answers. It provides a fantasy. The very nature of faith is accepting that anything is possible. Is this the idea you believe in?

e.g. Lord of the Rings is a documentary; one day we will be able to ride unicorns; Leprechauns will bring you skittles.

When I put it this way, it's silly, right? "Oh, but you're not being reasonable." No, there are no bounds when it comes to faith. If you can conceive it, it can be real. A snake can convince a couple to eat an apple, and because of that occurance all mankind dies.

In the end, how committed are you to truth, virtue, and integrity?

Are you willing to give these things up to live in a fantasy world? What will happen to your kids when you try to raise them and they remind you of the reality you cover up with your lies?

Do you truly think one can accept the lies of religion and it will not have any affect on the quality of life one lives?

If you want my opinion on what I believe in is this;

Everything is energy. It was never created, nor it can be destroyed (you could say I believe in an infinite universe -- where a majority of scientists agree that it is finite). It always existed, we are apart of it and will always be apart of it from now and forever. You break everything down to its molecular level we contain the same elements of everything else that merely exists. We are just a mass of these energy particles that has formed a shape with its own consciousness. We are merely a bubble in the wave of life. Where does this river lead I do not know. Where it came from I do not know. What is our purposes I do not know. What do I know? Absolutely nothing. And trust me I thought I knew, I thought I had all the information and tried to philosophize with not only my friends and family but with myself. I was arguing with my very soul of my own existence. I realized that this search for truth sometimes makes me go into loops and I lose myself in confusion and insanity of questions, questions and more questions. It never gave me one iota of happiness and I look towards those who did find their tranquility. They are ignorant of the world and the universe yet they are more clear and precise with what they know. They have a sense of clarity that is above and beyond that which I could ever comprehend. Perhaps I am too analytical for my own good and try to break everything down and rebuild it and so on and so forth as if I am trying to figure out the scheme of things. I was looking for the master plan that the architect drew of our beings and surroundings, but I forgot why it was that I came to be in the first place. It's like I've lived this over and over again and continuing to make the same mistake and error every single time. To be aware of myself has taught me pain. Living hurts. Yes I might be going into some Buddhist philosophies, and I agree with a majority of it. Buddha amongst other teachers of previous time were just that... Teachers. They were trying to tell us something that couldn't be properly explained because there is no explanation. We all just want to be happy in our way. So I'll give up trying to fight those who don't share the same belief set as me, I'll stop trying to change the world. I am merely here to enjoy the ride and when its over, maybe then will I learn absolute truth (and I'm willing to bet it is something that no human being could ever imagine).

What's wrong with asking questions? What do you feel when you ask questions? Why do you feel such emotions?

How do you expect to change the world if you don't know yourself?

Fear, pain, sadness, etc. Are not bad. It means you're still alive. Depression is a natural occurance. Why is it good to feel unmotivated, maybe even depressed, when the weather is bad?

Maybe it's so you don't go out of your cave and explore your environment and get sick and die.

You said, "I was arguing with my very soul of my own existence." Were you attacking yourself? That's not healthy. And it's also not good to attack yourself for self attacking.

Many of us don't know the depth of the abuses we've experienced as children because we have accepted them as normalities.

And, we do play them out constantly.

[the_paul]

Tigron I didn't read all of your posts, only the part after where you quoted me, let me state that in advance.

So you're saying religion is a lie because it proclaims things, but can not prove them? That's fair, can't argue with that if you think that way. But then again, you do believe in atheism, which has no proof that it is correct either. So that would, in your logic, make atheism a lie too? Just seems like theres a flaw in your logic somewhere.

NOTE: like I said i didnt read your whole post, I'm pretty burned out on this topic already. that being said you've probably already addressed what I've said, and if so ignore this post and carry on.

[Tigron-X]

Well, atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is not a religion. Atheism has no doctrine, creed, or special commandments. It's just reality. To say otherwise would be like trying to tell a bald man his hair color is brown when he has no hair.

I have understandings.
I have assumptions.
I have awareness of my environment limited by the functionality of my senses.
I have imagination.
I have reason.
I have intellect.
I have emotions.

But, I have no religion.

[gran guerrero]

Well, atheism is not a belief system. Atheism is not a religion. Atheism has no doctrine, creed, or special commandments. It's just reality. To say otherwise would be like trying to tell a bald man his hair color is brown when he has no hair.

I have understandings.
I have assumptions.
I have awareness of my environment limited by the functionality of my senses.
I have imagination.
I have reason.
I have intellect.
I have emotions.

But, I have no religion.

Good for you, no one is arguing why you shouldn't be this way

They are arguing why you are telling people they should be this way. Stop trying to conform everyone to what you consider is correct. That's all we been saying this whole time.

I don't even believe in religion, you're just being trolled by paul too. Let it go already

[Stormwick]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

[Jones]

Tigron, you should really read God's Debris... pm me and I will give you a link or send it by email

as for my contribution to this thread: everything in this world is just too perfect to be a mistake. someone/something must have made it this way... ie. God. I don't need to read the bible, or spend time in some monastery or meditate at the top of a mountain to FEEL this... all science can do is notice patterns in the universe, why speed of light does this and that; it can't tell why it does this... nor will it during my lifetime. science is young. there shouldn't even be a war between religion and science, all science is trying to do is to explain God, and this isnt the God of christians I am refering to.

[gran guerrero]

Tigron, you should really read God's Debris... pm me and I will give you a link or send it by email

as for my contribution to this thread: everything in this world is just too perfect to be a mistake. someone/something must have made it this way... ie. God. I don't need to read the bible, or spend time in some monastery or meditate at the top of a mountain to FEEL this... all science can do is notice patterns in the universe, why speed of light does this and that; it can't tell why it does this... nor will it during my lifetime. science is young. there shouldn't even be a war between religion and science, all science is trying to do is to explain God, and this isnt the God of christians I am refering to.

Aizen-sama with the clutch post

[Tigron-X]

Tigron, you should really read God's Debris... pm me and I will give you a link or send it by email

as for my contribution to this thread: everything in this world is just too perfect to be a mistake. someone/something must have made it this way... ie. God. I don't need to read the bible, or spend time in some monastery or meditate at the top of a mountain to FEEL this... all science can do is notice patterns in the universe, why speed of light does this and that; it can't tell why it does this... nor will it during my lifetime. science is young. there shouldn't even be a war between religion and science, all science is trying to do is to explain God, and this isnt the God of christians I am refering to.

I like discussion. You can try to summarize the points of the book if you like.

No, science actually has the capability of explaining why light behaves the way it does. It can even predict its behavior.

"Too perfect" compared to what?

So, are you saying life is not probable?

Good for you, no one is arguing why you shouldn't be this way

They are arguing why you are telling people they should be this way. Stop trying to conform everyone to what you consider is correct. That's all we been saying this whole time.

I don't even believe in religion, you're just being trolled by paul too. Let it go already

No, he presented an argument, and I corrected his presumptions. That's all.

I'm not telling anyone what to believe. I have shown that religion is a lie by pointing out the contradictions. I'm further pointing out that if you want to believe in such lies then you're abandoning integrity, truth, virtue and rationality.

If you have a problem with that, then you have three choices:

(1) Prove your position with empirical evidence;

(2) Realize the impossibility of the task and abandon your position; or

(3) Admit that you're abandoning integrity, truth, virtue and rationality.

But, FFS, stop going around and telling people, especially kids, that if they don't accept your religiosity then they are going to hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager

[the_paul]

I disagree with your response, judging by the definition of both atheism and religion, it pretty much is a religion in itself. I'd argue this more but in the end this point doesn't even matter and I'm not sure how we ended up here lol.

[Tigron-X]

I'm sure you would, but in order to do so you would have to butcher the english language. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but I have no respect for the arguement, "Atheism is a religion."

In the end, that which one has not been reasoned into, cannot be reasoned out of.