Islamic mosque to be built near ground zero

[Ilya]

when i used to play Caesar IV, i always begrudgedly had to build temples in order for my houses to upgrade/keep the gods from burning shit down

maybe thats whats happening here

maybe

[Vatican Assassin]

goldman sachs and fellow banksters are driving us into a depression as we get pulled into war with iran but lets talk all day about a mosque and gay marriage

[Exalt]

just to be clear, this article explains why Exalt is mad: he's just caught up in the recent fear-mongering. like i said earlier, this mosque has been in the works for months, but Exalt's more of a follower than anything else, and he had to wait 'til the PATRIOTIC AMUR'CANS said it was ok to hate the new mosque

Yes, that sure is the reason I posted in this thread Jerome Scrubs. You are too smart for me! Your intelligence is beyond us lowly patriotic amur'can's understanding, so I will just take your word for it that you are always correct.

I'm sure every post of yours in this thread wasn't just a way of taking the opposite end of the debate to sound like an intelligent nonconformist indy type like you always do Jerome! I'm sure you and all of your awesome forum friends are far too intelligent for us patriotic amur'can's, and so we shouldn't have opinions, because looking after the safety and feelings of everyone isn't a legit reason for concern!

I mean... you said so yourself.. there is a mosque 4 blocks away. It must not be large enough for the massive population of muslims living on top of ground zero, so they need to build another one down the road! Who cares about the feelings of the victims that died in 9/11 over radical muslims, because freedom of religion!!!, even though that religion states def leapard 2 teh eenfeedells in teh weelijuz buwk

[Jerome Scuggs]

just to be clear, this article explains why Exalt is mad: he's just caught up in the recent fear-mongering. like i said earlier, this mosque has been in the works for months, but Exalt's more of a follower than anything else, and he had to wait 'til the PATRIOTIC AMUR'CANS said it was ok to hate the new mosque

[Jerome Scuggs]

This was Catholicism, the Pope, and Europe. This was not protestant America, nor was it "my" history. It was Europe and their blind following of retarded popes and kings from Europe.

And the muslims building the mosque will tell you it wasn't "their" radical terrorists who hijacked those airplanes. As long as you throw all muslims into one basket, then I'll hold you responsible for every crime committed in the name of Christianity.

America was formed on the basis of wanting to seperate ourselves from the retarded popes and kings of Europe. We did a fairly decent job of it too, might I add. While you all still had kings fucking up your country, we had presidents and a constitution that formed the basis for the entire free world.

I think you're glossing over a major part of why America was founded: religious freedom.

As far as a mosque at ground zero, there are obvious reasons that you are all so retarded that you overlook them. Ground zero is a sensitive area, and building a mosque anywhere near there is a spit in the face of all who sacrificed their lives during 9/11.

Ground Zero is in fact a sensitive area, and the people wanting to build the mosque there are being very sensitive about it. You are the one who is flipping shit and putting words in their mouths. This has nothing to do with spitting in faces. In fact, it's just the opposite.

Oh, by the way, you know there is a strip club and an adult entertainment store next to GZ, right? Where were you when they supposedly "desecrated" your hallowed ground?

You are European, so you have no idea what it means to be a patriotic American, so you wouldn't understand anyway.

dear europe, i am sorry for this sentence. on behalf of all Americans who embrace intellect and an open mind, please ignore this guy, he is the reason people like Rush Limbaugh make money.

I am fine with mosques being built anywhere else, but anywhere near ground zero is just plain stupidity.

yeah i'm fine with blacks sitting anywhere on a bus, but anywhere near the front is just plain stupidity

That mosque will be lucky if it doesn't get blown up itself. That would be putting those muslims in danger of harassment at the very least, and life threatening danger at the worst. If you think of both sides of the coin, then everyone would agree it is stupid to place a mosque there.

this, right here, is the one, single, valid reason you have as to why a mosque should not be built there. but that's it, and i'm guessing the people who want this mosque have accepted that risk.

If Buddhist terrorists flew a plane into the twin towers, then it would be retarded to place a Buddhist temple anywhere near ground zero as well. The same goes for Christians. If a bunch of radical Christians flew planes into the twin towers, then it would be moronic to place a church anywhere near there. The religion doesn't even matter at that point. It is what it stands for that counts, and you are all overlooking that.

Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City Bomber, was a Roman Catholic. Within a 4-block radius of the OKC building, there are four churches.

edit: and there is a Shinto (Japan's majority religion) temple at Pearl Harbor

For all your bullshit talks about "freedom of religion" and all that shit, you ruin your own politically correct agendas in the first place. It is politically INCORRECT to place a mosque near ground zero, whether it is a block away or right on top of it. It is a sensitive area to say the least, and a mosque there would stir up far too many negative feelings for it to be wise to place one there.

This isn't about political correctness. This is about freedom of religion, and freedom in general.

You say this would stir up feelings, and yet, this mosque has been planned for over half a year. You should read that article very carefully, as it repudiates everything you think it ""stands for"".

THINK before you speak next time. You are all so full of political freedom bullshit that you overlook the obvious facts. We don't live in utopia. We live in the real world. Learn to live in it.

wanna talk about overlooking the obvious?

there is already a mosque within 4 blocks of ground zero. and the world has not ended. and noone has complained.

edit: and a mosque INSIDE the pentagon haha

I have this distinct feeling you all just like to bitch and moan and complain about things you don't understand simply so you can see yourself type. If you all actually thought about what the issues really were, you wouldn't even take the stances you do. You just all like to debate for the sake of debating. Logical thinking seems to go out the window for 90% of you half the time.

haha i almost didn't put this last one in [quotes] because I thought i had typed it. seriously. you are the one bitchin here, broseph.

[kthx]

What about all the other mosques used as training grounds for other terrorists? Such as the one used in Europe where 9/11 was planned? Don't be ignorant.

[Bioture]

what.

We're correlating 9/11 with the nation of Islam. This is very stupid. (are people seriously debating this shit?)

[Tigron-X]

and building a mosque anywhere near there is a spit in the face of all who sacrificed their lives during 9/11.

Does that include the terrorists who sacraficed their lives too?

Because I'm sure spitting in their face is something many would like to do. :P

You are European, so you have no idea what it means to be a patriotic American, so you wouldn't understand anyway.

Yeah Zazu! Since you're European, you can't have American pride! Therefore you're wrong in anything you say!

/sarcasm

Logical thinking seems to go out the window for 90% of you half the time.

You want to talk logic?

Here is your logic:

You recognize a mosque is being built. Someone said Muslims build mosques in locations they've conquered. Therefore you believe this mosque is being built for that reason.

But, was it conquered? Absolutely not. You can test this very easily. Just ask yourself.. are New Yorkers under the rulership of a Muslim theocracy?

Absolutely not.

Who has been conquered? No one.

Furthermore, in order for you to truly believe this mosque is being built because they conquered an area, then you have to believe that every Muslim was in on 9/11 or every Muslim supports the terrorist actions on 9/11, or at least that the Muslims responsible for getting that mosque built in that specific location are somehow involved.

So, the only reason you find this mosque to be an issue is because you believe it to be some sort of tropaeum. But, it's not.

It's just another one of many mosques built in this country, and it just so happens to be 2 blocks from where many people died due to an act of war committed by Jihadists.

All in all, it's a huge leap in logic to claim the location was conquered, and it's even a further leap in logic to say that a mosque 2 blocks away that can't even be seen from the sight is some sort of tropaeum.

It's absolute total bullshit. And any rational person could see this.

[Exalt]

That would be a beautiful day.

You sir, are a moron.

[Tigron-X]

then they should just rip up the entire constitution and let this country become a state of Anarchy.

That would be a beautiful day.

[Exalt]

correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the people around early judeo-christian times had women covered up and avoided the bacon as well??

This was Judaism. Christianity didn't preach this. The Old Testament doesn't = the New Testament.

If you even understand history, you would realize that Jews and Muslims come from the same family. Abraham had two sons. One was Isaac, who formed the Hebrew nation and Judaism. The other son was Ishmael, who became the father of the Arab nation, and thus Islam.

Their little hatred for each other started all the way back to their forefather. Both religions/races trace their heritage back to the same man.

[Exalt]

And if you review our history. Weren't we the ones (Christians) that raided Africa and every non-Christian country in our crusades? Didn't we kill thousands of "infidels", burn down cities, build thousands of churches and forced the locals to become Christian?
While they were perfectly happy living their lives?

So basically history is just repeating itself. We did it a few hundred years ago, they are doing it now. We were using swords, they are using bombs.

This was Catholicism, the Pope, and Europe. This was not protestant America, nor was it "my" history. It was Europe and their blind following of retarded popes and kings from Europe.

America was formed on the basis of wanting to seperate ourselves from the retarded popes and kings of Europe. We did a fairly decent job of it too, might I add. While you all still had kings fucking up your country, we had presidents and a constitution that formed the basis for the entire free world.

As far as a mosque at ground zero, there are obvious reasons that you are all so retarded that you overlook them. Ground zero is a sensitive area, and building a mosque anywhere near there is a spit in the face of all who sacrificed their lives during 9/11. You are European, so you have no idea what it means to be a patriotic American, so you wouldn't understand anyway.

I am fine with mosques being built anywhere else, but anywhere near ground zero is just plain stupidity. That mosque will be lucky if it doesn't get blown up itself. That would be putting those muslims in danger of harassment at the very least, and life threatening danger at the worst. If you think of both sides of the coin, then everyone would agree it is stupid to place a mosque there.

If Buddhist terrorists flew a plane into the twin towers, then it would be retarded to place a Buddhist temple anywhere near ground zero as well. The same goes for Christians. If a bunch of radical Christians flew planes into the twin towers, then it would be moronic to place a church anywhere near there. The religion doesn't even matter at that point. It is what it stands for that counts, and you are all overlooking that.

For all your bullshit talks about "freedom of religion" and all that shit, you ruin your own politically correct agendas in the first place. It is politically INCORRECT to place a mosque near ground zero, whether it is a block away or right on top of it. It is a sensitive area to say the least, and a mosque there would stir up far too many negative feelings for it to be wise to place one there.

THINK before you speak next time. You are all so full of political freedom bullshit that you overlook the obvious facts. We don't live in utopia. We live in the real world. Learn to live in it.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill -- not that I even recognize there is a mole hill. Not even a pimple.

Seriously, if no one ever said anything, the mosque would be built and no one, except for possibly local muslims, would pay any attention to it whatsoever. No one would care or think anything of it. It wouldn't mean a damn thing!

But, NO! Some retarded religious zealot had to go protest it because someone is building a place of worship that interferes with his religious beliefs.

What I'm going to do is go put a big red 'X' on my shoes, and when I go walking around in them I conquer all the land I step on.

Moron


I have this distinct feeling you all just like to bitch and moan and complain about things you don't understand simply so you can see yourself type. If you all actually thought about what the issues really were, you wouldn't even take the stances you do. You just all like to debate for the sake of debating. Logical thinking seems to go out the window for 90% of you half the time.

[Exalt]

Haha! Using sarcasm in your own posts, but you don't seem to understand when I am being sarcastic. If we are talking about people with a low IQ, Exalt, you are a good example!
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More like, I use my sarcasm well, while you have no idea how. Your post looked moronic and even serious at times, while clearly mine wasn't. I guess I have a low IQ for battling your terrible sarcasm with a better version! Oh woe is me.

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2 blocks away from ground zero on private property where you are allowed to purchase said land and do whatever you want with it is hardly placing a victory flag on top of an attack committed by a small group of muslims compared to the entire population of muslims that exist world wide.

You are blanket generalizing/stereotyping a terrorist attack, yet this is a victory for all muslims yes, even though your own muslim friends are against this. You just don't make any kind of sense what so ever.

How is placing a mosque 2 BLOCKS AWAY FROM GROUND ZERO an act of claiming victory over an attack?? It was an attack on the United States, so if anything shouldn't they place a mosque in Washington, D.C. the capital? Oh wait I think they already do.

Fuck bros, America lost a long ass time ago according to cres.

Gran, I am in agreement with you. The property itself is being used as, and has been used as a Mosque prior to 9/11. If they try to stop this from being built, then they should just rip up the entire constitution and let this country become a state of Anarchy.

There's trash in every race of people and to say everyone from a specific faith are terrorists as well as they are trying to overthrow this nation is ridiculous. There are extremists in all faiths and groups, be it political or religious.

They should have the rite to build on their property and do as they wish as long as it is in line with the building codes of the city.

It was not that long ago that there had been signs on public beaches in Miami...even in Cleveland along Lake Erie that said no jews or dogs, in Boston it was very similar but geared towards the Irish and Blacks.

Racism and the fear of ones Religion that differs from your own has been a problem in the States for over a century. It is not going to change and if it does, it will only be a matter of time until it is someone elses faith or color that causes the next round of bigotry and hatred.

Let them build and re-furbish their existing property! This debate is ridiculous.

[Tigron-X]

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill -- not that I even recognize there is a mole hill. Not even a pimple.

Seriously, if no one ever said anything, the mosque would be built and no one, except for possibly local muslims, would pay any attention to it whatsoever. No one would care or think anything of it. It wouldn't mean a damn thing!

But, NO! Some retarded religious zealot had to go protest it because someone is building a place of worship that interferes with his religious beliefs.

What I'm going to do is go put a big red 'X' on my shoes, and when I go walking around in them I conquer all the land I step on.