Medicine From other Countries

[kthx]

Cops.. I don't think anyone has mentioned Autism in this thread other than you. It's about not injecting kids or yourself with toxic chemicals because well.. thats just not good for you.

Also, if your kid is vaccinated why are you so worried about him being around unvaccinated children? Unless vaccinations don't really protect your kid that well and are useless anyways.

[RednaZ]

at the same time it's within my rights as a parent to demand that if a parent does not want to have their child vaccinated they have no place around my children. the logical people have agreed and this is policy within all school boards in canada. no one is holding your kid down and sticking a needle in him. the decision is the parents.

Wrong. You have the right to keep your children away from un-vaccinated children, you do not have the right to keep other people away. Logical people would agree and warn people no such policy can be rationally justified.

[Money]

so glad cops is back pretending to know it all . . .

[TagMor]

the reason why this is such a vital issue is because canada is a country that immigrates a quarter of a million people each year, many of which have up until becoming canadian citizens had little to no health care.

And you idiots swallow this shit? Is Canada full of halftard xenophobes?

there's no link to children absorbing dangerous levels of mercury while getting vaccinated. if you can come up with credible proof that there is an actual argument to make about vaccinations being dangerous i might take you more seriously.

In 1999 Rofecoxib (Vioxx) was approved by the FDA. Within 5 years of being released it killed 60,000 people.
Various whistleblowers have confirmed that Rofecoxib was pushed through the FDA, and other government health bodies.
Merck & Co (the company that created vioxx) has been convicted and successfully sued numerous times for negligence, wrongful death, breaching various trade acts, etc.

Guess who makes your children's vaccinations?

[kthx]

And also all that healthy ADD medicine that all kids need.

[Cops]

In 1999 Rofecoxib (Vioxx) was approved by the FDA. Within 5 years of being released it killed 60,000 people.
Various whistleblowers have confirmed that Rofecoxib was pushed through the FDA, and other government health bodies.
Merck & Co (the company that created vioxx) has been convicted and successfully sued numerous times for negligence, wrongful death, breaching various trade acts, etc.

Guess who makes your children's vaccinations?

your pointing out one company, who probably has a market share in the fractions of a percent. i can prove to you, that practically in all industries there has been at least one company that has done something illegal and leading to the loss of lives. does this mean that the specific industries themselves are unsafe? absolutely not. if you've got big numbers, or something other than one singular company that has done something illegal i'd be glad to hear about it. if you can prove to me that the industry is corrupt and unsafe then prove it, this only proves that a company is illegal and responsible for the loss of lives. i also find this argument quite hilarious, since the same people who bash the FDA for their lax legislation are quick to source it when it bolsters their argument. it's accommodating as humans to one second value the source of information then the next dismiss it when it does not fall in line with our views. to make a long story short, i take what the FDA says with a grain of salt.

Nice post but this I disagree with (your logic). If 98% of a school community is vaccined the other 2% wont get it either, there simply not enough contact. But if 98% is not vaccined (like some exteremist church community) they will be screwed sooner or later..

What im saying is: a vaccined child does not get harmed by a none-vaccined child. And if the ratio is low enough non-vaccined child wont infect other non-vaccined childs.

Skipped most of the anti-posts so im not sure this helps though :P

there's a lot of mathematical equations in your post, but no scientific proof. you're assuming that contacting a disease is based purely on a ratio, instead of a probability. still the probability of contacting a disease goes up based on the length and number of people you are exposed to. that said there is no ratio that can be used to exactly quantify someone's likelihood of contacting a disease simply because there are too many unknowns.

[Vatican Assassin]

cops' new nickname is "the editor" cuz he goes back and edits every post 5 times

[Money]

lol hes such a douchebag, i bet hes one of thise kids that had to stay inside due to all his allergies

[gran guerrero]

What's really crazy is that the body creates a new strand of DNA that could potentially fuck us on the constant. There's no safety from anything, anyone who believes a vaccine is the end-all cure to all our problems is a fucking nitwit.

[TagMor]

your pointing out one company, who probably has a market share in the fractions of a percent.i can prove to you, that practically in all industries there has been at least one company that has done something illegal and leading to the loss of lives. does this mean that the specific industries themselves are unsafe? absolutely not. if you've got big numbers, or something other than one singular company that has done something illegal i'd be glad to hear about it. if you can prove to me that the industry is corrupt and unsafe then prove it, this only proves that a company is illegal and responsible for the loss of lives. i also find this argument quite hilarious, since the same people who bash the FDA for their lax legislation are quick to source it when it bolsters their argument. it's accommodating as humans to one second value the source of information then the next dismiss it when it does not fall in line with our views. to make a long story short, i take what the FDA says with a grain of salt.

Your argument has become quite irrational.
You dont trust the FDA, yet you trust business-orientated pharmaceutical companies that have been proven to cause death through negligence?

if you've got big numbers, or something other than one singular company that has done something illegal i'd be glad to hear about it.

Why do I have to prove anything to you? How about you prove they are safe?
Here are some facts from which I form my opinion on the subject:

• Vaccines have been found to contain highly toxic substances such as Mercury
• People have experienced severe side effects after being administered with supposedly harmless vaccines. Some have died.
• At least one of the major manufacturers of vaccines has been convicted of death through negligence and corruption
• Many scientists and medical experts have publicly spoken out about the dangers of vaccines
  

See, in your feeble little head you have this idea that scientific integrity and government regulation will protect you from anything harmful.
When examples of corruption are presented you try and isolate it from the comfortable little bubble that is your reality: "Oh that is just 1 case"... yes, an isolated case of government and corporate corruption that killed 60,000 people. From of which no individual was prosecuted, and the same individuals who were involved could, and probably are, in the same positions of responsibility today.

If you want a more recent example, how about Gardasil?
Manufactured by Merck and Co. Aggressively lobbied through government (just like vioxx), only this time to be made compulsory for children attending public schools.
Merck and Co. ended their lobbying after it was discovered that the vaccine they wanted to forcibly inject into your children contains Sodium Borate - commonly used as rat poison.

[kthx]

Im glad tagmor is here to type all the long paragraphs to prove the points I would make if I didn't think Cops was too retarded to just admit hes wrong.

[Money]

[Epinephrine]

It doesn't really matter what silly arguments you guys can make because you know at the core you cannot disprove that vaccinations are one of the greatest and most effective public health interventions ever in the history of the human race.

We've eradicated small pox, almost eradicated polio, made measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, and pneumococcal meningitis almost a thing of the past in the developed world. Rabies is a thing we're more scared of than actually a thing to worry about for the most part. Soon, we'll be on the way towards eliminating cervical cancer too thanks to vaccines.

All these were huge killers and causes of significant morbidity just two generations ago, or if you wish in the developing world where they do not have access to such vaccines.

But I guess it's just too easy to look at whatever specific ingredients are in whatever vaccines while ignoring the amount of each ingredient and whether or not it actually makes a difference at that level, or not looking too see if similar amounts of said ingredient are found anywhere else around us. Simply put, there's already so many toxins in our food, water and air that honestly the minuscule amounts from one shot is insignificant even without comparing it to the hundreds of millions of people who have been saved, and the virtually everyone on the planet whose lives have been made better because a loved one has not had to die of these now easily preventable diseases.

Basically everyone on this forum except for eph and 404 are too young to have actually lived in a world where people still got a lot of these diseases. But I guess it's easy to find criticism if life is so much easier because of the benefits of vaccines right?

[Money]

u go epi

[TagMor]

That isnt really the core of the argument.
The argument is that the current industry and government bodies entrusted with the manufacturing and administering of these vaccinations are corrupted to the degree of murdering thousands of people, in favor of financial profit.

there's already so many toxins in our food, water and air

HEY MAN YOU ARE EATING SO MUCH SHIT ANYWAY, LET ME INJECT YOU WITH RAT POISON