Medicine From other Countries

[Vatican Assassin]

i just hope we all can agree that FORCED vaccinations are fucked up

[kthx]

Yeah all of the deaths spared from science creating vaccines are repaid with cancer and other terrible diseases thanks to sciences "contributions" to our food, water, and cookware.

Sophie's Choice moment, pick which kid you would rather die from and then choose either cancer or smallpox.

[kthx]

http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/cdc-e...r-1198092.html

Listen to them people for god sakes get your medicines!

And then hide your kids, hide your dogs they raping everyone up there.

[Epinephrine]

Yeah all of the deaths spared from science creating vaccines are repaid with cancer and other terrible diseases thanks to sciences "contributions" to our food, water, and cookware.

Sophie's Choice moment, pick which kid you would rather die from and then choose either cancer or smallpox.

smallpox one-third of people died. Cancer like 1% and there`s cures depending on type, and you don`t die right away. it`s a false argument you make there. Not only that, but show me how there`s actually anywhere close to the same amount of people `dying from cancer from a vaccine` (which is something that you`ve just randomly asserted without any proof) as compared to people who died before there were vaccines or in countries without vaccines.

Vaccines win out every time by ridiculously large margins, and it`s so blatantly obvious that your point falls on all counts.

[kthx]

I wasn't just talking about vaccines I was talking about all the supposedly healthy things that the government tells us are ok to ingest. Fluoride does cause increases in bone cancer and only helps teeth when applied directly to the teeth not when you swallow it from a glass where minimal amounts of it actually gets on your teeth. Carageenan which is used as a filler in lots of meats also is a cause of intestinal cancer, corn byproducts which are in a large majority of the food we eat isn't able to be processed by our body. I mean I don't need to go on and on about this shit because you know as well as I do that the terrible fucking things that a majority of people put into their bodies lead to terrible problems health wise later on in life.

As far as vaccines are concerned, you are correct that they have eradicated some really terrible diseases. I am just saying that nobody should be very gung ho about letting their newborn baby receive 15 shots in the first year of their life. You as a doctor I would hope knows that childrens bodies aren't able to get rid of heavy metals and other toxins nearly as quickly as a full grown adult can.

[Epinephrine]

I am a man of science, and as such I ask: Show me the proof, the evidence, the statistics that back up your position. That is the only thing I believe in, and if you actually have real proof of what you are saying in properly done studies, then I will believe you.

Note that it honestly doesn't matter what's contained in anything we ingest as long as the volume is small enough. As an example, we all have minute amounts of radioactive particles in our bodies just from natural radioactive isotopes found everywhere but it doesn't do anything appreciable to us even if 'radiation' sounds scary. As you are the one suggesting something different from the status quo, the onus is actually on you to back up any of your assertions.

Until then, your assertions are all hearsay and conjecture. Neither of which deserve any serious hearing, except by easily suggestible individuals who will believe in anything as long as it fits along with their predetermined worldviews.

[Money]

bet u get ur kid vaccinated for school kthx

[TagMor]

I like how Ep is taking the "I'm a person of scientific/medical integrity" line, yet has no problem with undermining medical protocol by labeling people as schitzophrenic on internet forums.

[kthx]

Do you have any real proof that I am wrong? Like I said before in this thread, if you think that science or medicine is infallible you deserve what you get.

Also money, Texas has lots of exemptions. You don't have to be vaccinated before you go to school here.

[Zeebu]

where will this thread go next?

things i have read on this page:

wark says some things that he thinks are bad

epine asks for numerical proof about why these things are bad

instead of looking to find why things are bad kthx asks for proof of why hes wrong (usually things dont work this way)
also, i missed where anyone said something is infallible.

tagmor chimes in about epi apparently calling someone a name on the internet. i dont know where this came from. was he actually diagnosing someone on the internet or just making a personal attack or saying an opinion.




lets talk about milk some more

[kthx]

Well basically its pointless pulling up numbers to epi because it would just cause the circular argument of "that website isn't reputable" and then I would say "well the reputable websites lie to you" blah blah blah. I mean I guess I could go try to pull numbers from the FDA website but then again they also allow dangerous drugs through to be sold every year so I guess that isn't my definition of reputable. But really it boils down to eugenics, the infant mortality rate speaks for itself in two countries (The US and Canada) that should have better rates than third world nations. There is a direct correlation between IMR and # of vaccines given. And there are plenty of people (Bill Gates for instance) who even admit that the world is too populated and they would hope to see the worlds population decrease 10-15% in the next X years through things such as vaccines. And then the guy goes out and donates a ton of money and makes programs to make sure everyone gets their shots! What a philanthropist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaF-fq2Zn7I

[Cops]

Cops.. I don't think anyone has mentioned Autism in this thread other than you.

Here's my issue with you Wark, if you're going to be on the opposition side of this arugment at least understand the main arguments.

The dramatic increase in reported cases of autism during the 1990s and early 2000s is largely attributable to changes in diagnostic practices, referral patterns, availability of services, age at diagnosis, and public awareness - Rutter M (2005). "Incidence of autism spectrum disorders: changes over time and their meaning".

I think I have given every courtesy to have someone prove me wrong. You can't just quote a single company in a billion dollar industry and make wild accusations that the entire industry is dangerous. I could do this with the oil industry, housing industry, transportation industry, and the list goes on forever. The FDA has been known to make some blunders, but they are still a legitmate organization. My issue in this argument is even with the FDA, it's with people who switch between crediting and dis-crediting their sources to beef up their argument.

•Vaccines have been found to contain a low level of mercury, less than eating a can of tuna. Since 1999 vaccines have a fraction of a percent of mercury.
•People have reported all sorts of shit, all the time. None of it has been taken seriously or documented.
•Many porn stars, actors, and medical experts have lied publicly about the dangers of vaccines. These people quote a study done by a British doctor who paid children to particapte in a illegal study without the permission of their parents. The doctor is now publicy discredited.

Here's some light reading about this douchebag doctor.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle5683671.ece

[Epinephrine]

I like how Ep is taking the "I'm a person of scientific/medical integrity" line, yet has no problem with undermining medical protocol by labeling people as schitzophrenic on internet forums.

Ignoring the fact that now you're just randomly saying nonsense (as you have done for years on every thread you've ever posted on in this forum) and stated something that I did that I never did (aka stated a bold faced lie), do you even know what schizophrenia is? I think not.

[Epinephrine]

Do you have any real proof that I am wrong? Like I said before in this thread, if you think that science or medicine is infallible you deserve what you get.

Also money, Texas has lots of exemptions. You don't have to be vaccinated before you go to school here.

The real proof is that every legitimate medical organization in the world supports vaccines. Organizations staffed with lots of people who spend their lives pouring through the data and who regularly change their recommendations based on new evidence. Not only that, but there is lively debate on these very issues in medical journals around the world, from independent researchers who look at these things for years and debate the merits of everything we do in medicine.

Even the most mundane complaints that people have about things are debated and hashed out and evidence presented.

You have done nothing more than be like a 'talking head' on FOX News. Basically randomly assert things, then pretend they are 'facts' just because it fits into some warped world view that you have that you are never willing to challenge because you are close minded and paranoid.

[kthx]

You are talking to who epi.

Also to you cops

Vaccines contain less Mercury itself but have just substituted it for an equally dangerous heavy metal/chemical, it doesn't mean they are safer.

If people have reported tons of shit and "none of it has been taken seriously" then how does anyone know if they are telling the truth?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Act...swine_flu.html - Also the CDC admits it happens actually.

It matters when said industry is in the vaccine making business.

Yeah you single out one bad research study and use it as your "poster child" argument against vaccines being unsafe. I mean look how many people still believe in global warming even after the east anglia emails got leaked suggesting they fraudulently changed the data to make it seem like global warming was real.