Is all socialism bad?

[Tone]

[Jerome Scuggs]

god i hate adderal ive been lurking for 30mins and typed up like 4 different essays and none of them are for my research paper

[Tone]

NO NO NO. You do not understand that the private federal reserve prints and loans money for the US Government's budget upon request as the nation's credit card, and that income tax is the nations credit card minimum payment plan.

When it is said that income tax goes to something other than paying the fed, thats because the fed gives to the government to run its budget - thats where they are getting that from, but 100% of the income tax is the nations credit card payment and the USA is a registered cooperation owned by the British crown and Vatican.

The printing and borrowing has the same result as taxation and is on top of (in addition to) taxation. Taxation drains money, but then borrowing and printing devalues the currency which decreases the purchasing power of the people.

Its not simply that taxation rises over time, but purchasing power decreases faster than wages rise.

A fiat currency is a currency that is not backed by anything and has value because the government says so and people believe it. Because it is not backed by gold, it is able to be printed out of control for a government to live beyond its means.

A hard backed currency is a currency backed by silver & gold. it has value because people believe these elements are money. It is not able to be printed out of control for a government to live beyond its means.

Central government involvement in things beyond its means ruins those things. Consider that socialized medicine increases the price of medicine and will go bankrupt anyway in a currency and economic collapse, which will then kill tens of thousands.

This is why, if anything, the people must stand for freedom and only Social Security & Public Assistances should be kept until it can be figured out what the alternative is. Considering that Underground bases cost 40 trillion and the 180 overseas bases and non-defense militarism & wars cost trillions & there are thousands of wasteful domestic government programs, buildings and employees - those eliminated, it would be rather easy to keep public assistance & SS and still have lower taxation + libertarianism. The Alternative is collapse & doom

I can imagine big government collectivist getting mad and snapping and yelling in rage after the collapse worsens and anyone tells them I told you so. They would also probably give some twisted excuse to take the blame off big government collectivism.

[Money]

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhNP11wUySpbME7115

[Vatican Assassin]

Even though I hate responding to a zero creditability conspiracy-centric moron, I hate it even more when people post misleading information and/or opinion as fact.
First, the national debt is not managed or controlled by the Federal Reserve. It is managed by the Treasury Department (actually it is the Bureau of the Public Debt which is under the Treasury Department). Second, most people put the percentage of income tax that goes towards the national debt is between 1/10% and 3%, depending on how it is measured. Bottom line, the bottom line doesn’t even come close to supporting this kind of stupidity unless you are willing to throw reasonable thinking out the door and buy into a pure conspiracy theory of a massive government cover-up that spreads across a few hundred of thousands of people (guess that isn’t a stretch for a person who is drinking purple KoolAid in his tinfoil hat while waiting for the aliens to land).
These are public numbers that are easily confirmed and it is simple math. For example, in 2006 the revenue from income taxes was $1.04T while the Federal Reserve reported about $36B in interest, $30B of which the Fed Reserve gave back to the Treasury, netting a total of $6B.

Tone has simply bought into and is parroting a 1990’s conspiracy theory that was first stated in a Money Masters documentary. This documentary cites The Grace Commission report and epitomizes how to lie with numbers.
“Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:
One-third of all their taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the Federal Government as we identified in our survey.
Another one-third of all their taxes escapes collection from others as the underground economy blossoms in direct proportion to tax increases and places even more pressure on law abiding taxpayers, promoting still more underground economy-a vicious cycle that must be broken.
With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.”

So according to Tones position, if you completely ignore what this panel calls “waste and inefficiency” as well as “Federal Government contributions to transfer payments” AND the fact that they completely omit corporate taxes and only consider individual income taxes, THEN you can come closer to saying that 100% of your income taxes goes to pay the interest.

Best approach, believe nothing that Tone states. Not only has he proven himself as not having any creditability (i.e. his now infamous post that he would never post again if the aliens didn’t land on earth by the end of the year but he continues to post misinformation and half-truths that only half-wits would believe. IMO, even the entertainment value his posts greatly dropped, becoming stale, predictable and boring.
eph

Eph is right about interest, we only have to pay 1% - 3% of our earned wealth to private banks who we have given the right to create money and loan to our treasury with interest. The crazy thing is that the federal reserve is composed of private banks and bankers who are self-elected and not accountable or even known by outsiders. This means that in the banking collapse of 2008, private bankers decided who got bailed out and which banks were allowed to fail. The bailed-out banks, the huge banks that did all the damage to the economy with credit default swaps, toxic assets and derivatives, used their bail-out money to buy the smaller banks which were allowed to fail. I do not believe this is disputable, and I find it hard to understand how we can all be comfortable with this conflict of interest. The problems of having a central bank have been discussed throughout our nation's history, and Jefferson and lincoln understood how important it is to not allow private banks to control monetary policy, and these quotes should really help to see why we are in such bad shape:

Thomas Jefferson wrote: "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

Abraham Lincoln: "The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers..... The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power."

Woodrow Wilson was the president who signed the federal reserve act and established the federal reserve in 1913, and this is what he said in his farewell address in 1916. It just could not be any more clear:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."

[Supreme]

We're on to you, Summa, hahaha

[Summa]

No, you are advocating and defending slavery by being uninformed and immature in support of coercive collectivism. You do not understand what a constitutional republic is and how it works and are a very uninformed person who needs to get educated.

You're right, I am not about to graduate with a degree centered on the study of law and education or anything...not at all!

Please quote where I am defending slavery. You're saying "you're born where you're born and only the best rise out of it" social darwinism/machiavelli/nietzsche mixture you got going there. I am saying "oh look, you're born as a slave? oh let's correct that for you so that you have a similar starting point as everyone else; then you're on your own".

But you're totally right. I am uneducated and an alien spy sent to this world to propagate the interests of big government and the galactic status quo, so that the common citizen cannot be exposed to truth.

[Tone]

This logic condones slavery.

No, you are advocating and defending slavery by being uninformed and immature in support of coercive collectivism. You do not understand what a constitutional republic is and how it works and are a very uninformed person who needs to get educated.

[Jerome Scuggs]

This logic condones slavery.

as opposed to the status quo which doesn't?

[Summa]

Alien invasion is disinformation put out by the dark controlled news media, and ExtraTerrestrials are good benevolent allies here to help us

Also, you forgot that libertarianism means the federal government is still responsible for the national defense.

Libertarianism means the federal government does 1% of what it does now and the states, counties, cities & private people take on the rest because that ends up leading to more prosperity & wellbeing contrary to popular belief such as Summa's post.

Being mad & sad about how people are born inherently with inequality does NOT equate to the federal government must be powerful and take action - those two things do not logically equate. Dont pour gasoline on fires even if the gasoline is labeled fire extinguisher.

I am also for equality. Anyone with a normal brain is for equality and does not think darwinism is good & romantic. But you must not be fooled by things labeled as equality that are not equality, such as feminism, big government, and other trickery. We can only have full equality with ultra high technology that cures all disease and ends all need for money.

Here is a rule of the thumb tip, if something is collectivist or coercive it is bad and you are being fooled. if an Occupy Wallstreeter (OWSer) teenager or immature adult gives you a pamphlet, and it has politics in it that is collectivist or coercive, tell them they are being fooled & programmed and throw it out.

This logic condones slavery.

[Tone]

Alien invasion is disinformation put out by the dark controlled news media, and ExtraTerrestrials are good benevolent allies here to help us

Also, you forgot that libertarianism means the federal government is still responsible for the national defense.

Libertarianism means the federal government does 1% of what it does now and the states, counties, cities & private people take on the rest because that ends up leading to more prosperity & wellbeing contrary to popular belief such as Summa's post.

Being mad & sad about how people are born inherently with inequality does NOT equate to the federal government must be powerful and take action - those two things do not logically equate. Dont pour gasoline on fires even if the gasoline is labeled fire extinguisher.

I am also for equality. Anyone with a normal brain is for equality and does not think darwinism is good & romantic. But you must not be fooled by things labeled as equality that are not equality, such as feminism, big government, and other trickery. We can only have full equality with ultra high technology that cures all disease and ends all need for money.

Here is a rule of the thumb tip, if something is collectivist or coercive it is bad and you are being fooled. if an Occupy Wallstreeter (OWSer) teenager or immature adult gives you a pamphlet, and it has politics in it that is collectivist or coercive, tell them they are being fooled & programmed and throw it out.

[Jerome Scuggs]

[Epinephrine]

If we don't have a strong central government, then how will we resist the inevitable alien invasion?

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Good morning. In less than an hour, aircraft from here will join others from around the world. And you will be launching the largest aerial battle in the history of mankind. Mankind; that word should have new meaning for all of us today. We can’t be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it’s fate that today is the 4th of July and you will once again be fighting for our freedom. Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution, but from annihilation. We’re fighting for our right to live, to exist. And should we win the day, the 4th of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day when the world declared in one voice: ‘We will not go quietly into the night!’ ‘We will not vanish without a fight!’ ‘We’re going to live on!’ ‘We’re going to survive!’ Today we celebrate our Independence Day!
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[Tone]

Many times i say i am leaving the board, then leave. Dont you remember how i say "this board is uninformed and barbaric, now leaving" and then you dont see me for months? that has occurred many times

Are you uncomfortable with the conspiracy info or is it that you are a collectivist, or both?

I May have to again leave this board until it becomes informed !!

[Ephemeral]

yadda yadda yadda…
Also, 100% of your income tax goes to pay interest on the federal reserve, and the amount of money that goes to non-defense military spending, secret black budget programs, and wasteful spending is many fold over than the amount of money that would be needed for basic welfare of the victimized, sick, disabled, unfortunate. So the good news is you can have small government & welfare at the same time like my original post states, and do it in a way where it doesnt backfire
…yadda yafdda yadda

Even though I hate responding to a zero creditability conspiracy-centric moron, I hate it even more when people post misleading information and/or opinion as fact.
First, the national debt is not managed or controlled by the Federal Reserve. It is managed by the Treasury Department (actually it is the Bureau of the Public Debt which is under the Treasury Department). Second, most people put the percentage of income tax that goes towards the national debt is between 1/10% and 3%, depending on how it is measured. Bottom line, the bottom line doesn’t even come close to supporting this kind of stupidity unless you are willing to throw reasonable thinking out the door and buy into a pure conspiracy theory of a massive government cover-up that spreads across a few hundred of thousands of people (guess that isn’t a stretch for a person who is drinking purple KoolAid in his tinfoil hat while waiting for the aliens to land).
These are public numbers that are easily confirmed and it is simple math. For example, in 2006 the revenue from income taxes was $1.04T while the Federal Reserve reported about $36B in interest, $30B of which the Fed Reserve gave back to the Treasury, netting a total of $6B.

Tone has simply bought into and is parroting a 1990’s conspiracy theory that was first stated in a Money Masters documentary. This documentary cites The Grace Commission report and epitomizes how to lie with numbers.
“Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:
One-third of all their taxes is consumed by waste and inefficiency in the Federal Government as we identified in our survey.
Another one-third of all their taxes escapes collection from others as the underground economy blossoms in direct proportion to tax increases and places even more pressure on law abiding taxpayers, promoting still more underground economy-a vicious cycle that must be broken.
With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.”

So according to Tones position, if you completely ignore what this panel calls “waste and inefficiency” as well as “Federal Government contributions to transfer payments” AND the fact that they completely omit corporate taxes and only consider individual income taxes, THEN you can come closer to saying that 100% of your income taxes goes to pay the interest.

Best approach, believe nothing that Tone states. Not only has he proven himself as not having any creditability (i.e. his now infamous post that he would never post again if the aliens didn’t land on earth by the end of the year but he continues to post misinformation and half-truths that only half-wits would believe. IMO, even the entertainment value his posts greatly dropped, becoming stale, predictable and boring.
eph