So gun control, mental health care, and mass shootings

[gran guerrero]

GUBMENT TOOK MY BABY!!!!!!!!

[gran guerrero]

yo we should just submit to the gubment and give dem all our guns

we already slaves to their mind control

all thats left is to give dem gun control

[Bioture]

IMO they should restrict assault rifles, high capacity clips and some ammo. In fact, why not really pass some good legislation that restricts how much ammo someone can have in public and at home? Who the fuck needs 5000 assault rifle rounds at home? Make ammo freely available at ranges but fully permitted when kept at home?
eph

Like I said in my first post, I have a glock. It holds 15 rounds. I can empty the clip in 4-5 seconds, and reload it in 2.

I am all for banning assault rifles. But if someone wants to own a handgun and go on a killing spree, it's more than possible. So now we need to get down to the semantics. Should I only have a handgun clip that holds 5 rounds? etc. I would happily give up my gun if it meant that people would be SAFER. That seems to be the arbitrary argument everyone is getting excited about.

There are a lot of people who are responsible gun owners, and again gun ownership is very much engrained in american culture. When something bad happens, those gun owners tend to dig in their heels and make the argument that they never did anything wrong. As much as I don't really care for the NRA, they're only the frontman for gun corporations and people who want to own guns. They wouldn't exist if gun owners suddenly decided that it would be in the best collective interest to stop owning guns.

So basically, can gun control stop mass killings? MAYBE. Maybe if guns are hard to own, someone would have a hard time owning one, and instead go on a knife slashing spree a la China. Maybe. With the amount of firearms currently out there, this is a very UNLIKELY maybe.

[Tone]

Control and Coercive loss of freedom is not a "way" for anything. Perhaps youll learn that in another 5 to 10 thousand years of super slow learning and experience, humans.

[Ephemeral]

There is a solution, control. I am not sure why people want to turn it around and make it a ‘gun is/isn’t the problem’ discussion. Doesn’t matter. Maybe people today are defective, maybe it is in the water, maybe it is Tone’s theory. But the one thing that is clearly a problem, mass shootings are getting easier and easier to pull off.

You can own a house cat and let it run the neighborhood, but you can’t own a tiger and do the same. You can own a airplane, but you can’t outfit it with bombs and missiles. Basically they restrict anything that is capable of mass killing. Except guns. Why? (Hint; perhaps something to do with NRA and political action groups?)

IMO they should restrict assault rifles, high capacity clips and some ammo. In fact, why not really pass some good legislation that restricts how much ammo someone can have in public and at home? Who the fuck needs 5000 assault rifle rounds at home? Make ammo freely available at ranges but fully permitted when kept at home?
eph

[Spock!]

Input:

Guns are not the Problem, It is Society. We never had this shit in America back in the 1950's, and we had much less strict gun control. I don't know what happened to America, but our regard for human life seems to have shrunk over the years.

Anyway, If some guy wants to kill people, he is going to do it. Just buy some gas and put in a glass bottle.....INSTA BOMB!

As an added note: The media seems to ignore the fact that many law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves from home invasions and rapists on a daily basis. Guns have saved more innocent lives than they have taken - at least when speaking about private ownership.

To Sum it up........

Our society is full of self-centered, gullible, sheep-like, whimpy, over sensitive, politically correct ass holes that seems to have lost what it means to be American, or human for that matter. Or in other words, America is doomed to Fail.



Solution: There is none.

[Celestial Jeddak]

Just like everything else in life, there are two ends of the spectrum. Each end of the spectrum is extreme and most people, regardless of what it is you're talking about, will fall somewhere more towards the middle of the spectrum. When it comes to trusting the government, Tone is at the absolute extreme distrust side. Even though Tone is so extreme he turns people away and doesn't convince anybody of anything because he's too radical, he does bring up one good point here. Would the government stage an act that would result in legislation (or War) being passed based on the staged event? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

I don't think this thing is staged at all, for the record...Anyways, what happened in CT is terrible and maybe Assault Rifles should be a lot harder to get...but I hope people don't forget that the right to bear arms is an inalienable right granted by the constitution. Our government has done a real fine job of shitting all over the original principles on which this great country was founded, hopefully they don't shit on the constitution again here...

Only for you, right?... bitch

[Reaver]

Famous mass shootings are staged false flag operations using mind control and patsies. If you name an incident i can tell you if it was staged, a person who acting on their own, or which is more likely if its an unsure incident. The famous ones with lots of coverage are largely staged by black ops of the shadow government as a problem-reaction-solution false flag operation. The Shadow Government stages terror attacks & domestic mass shootings, among other things.

Just like everything else in life, there are two ends of the spectrum. Each end of the spectrum is extreme and most people, regardless of what it is you're talking about, will fall somewhere more towards the middle of the spectrum. When it comes to trusting the government, Tone is at the absolute extreme distrust side. Even though Tone is so extreme he turns people away and doesn't convince anybody of anything because he's too radical, he does bring up one good point here. Would the government stage an act that would result in legislation (or War) being passed based on the staged event? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

I don't think this thing is staged at all, for the record...Anyways, what happened in CT is terrible and maybe Assault Rifles should be a lot harder to get...but I hope people don't forget that the right to bear arms is an inalienable right granted by the constitution. Our government has done a real fine job of shitting all over the original principles on which this great country was founded, hopefully they don't shit on the constitution again here...

[Celestial Jeddak]

Famous mass shootings are staged false flag operations using mind control and patsies. If you name an incident i can tell you if it was staged, a person who acting on their own, or which is more likely if its an unsure incident. The famous ones with lots of coverage are largely staged by black ops of the shadow government as a problem-reaction-solution false flag operation. The Shadow Government stages terror attacks & domestic mass shootings, among other things.

http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2012/12/17/the-libor-scandal-link-fathers-of-shooters-adam-lanza-james-holmes-were-to-testify/

tell me more. tell me about mossad. tell me about 9/11.
tell me now ... tell u now, that u are to commit a crime.

[Tone]

Famous mass shootings are staged false flag operations using mind control and patsies. If you name an incident i can tell you if it was staged, a person who acting on their own, or which is more likely if its an unsure incident. The famous ones with lots of coverage are largely staged by black ops of the shadow government as a problem-reaction-solution false flag operation. The Shadow Government stages terror attacks & domestic mass shootings, among other things.

[Celestial Jeddak]

the fact that u ppl are even acknowledging this piece of shit kids life makes me sick, grow some balls

?? lol... you sure are strange.

[Money]

the fact that u ppl are even acknowledging this piece of shit kids life makes me sick, grow some balls

[Celestial Jeddak]

Quick, let's give firemen guns too

disqus_Ogg5T9V0PZ • 6 hours ago

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If you Americans put as much weight behind education in your country as you do around gun rights, your country would be intellectually unstoppable!

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I wish. That'd be.. interesting.

Well, back to the gun thing. I think opinions should be said, even if you think your opinion is useless.
Soilderz, growing up without a father is tough. I think there's a study on that somewhere.

P.S: Even though the USA has school shootings, it's still not a third world country... earthquakes and all that.

[Soilderz]

It would be an interesting study, to see how many of these shooters have had bad parenting or childhood and how many have not. I'm sure the shooters that has had a bad childhood exceeds the average in USA percentage-wise (sp?), if i could make that make sense?

And I'm also wondering that the US is waiting for, in Finland we tightened the gun law as soon as the first (recent) school shooting happened. But now there has been many many in USA the past decade and not much at all has been done? Should something be done on a national level? I mean the risk is as big in every state, or?

Just my train of thought.

[project dragon]

Quick, let's give firemen guns too