Pro-life or pro-choice?

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P.S. I'm going to drop all references to the USA. I'm not American, nor am I an American lawyer, so I don't know enough about your legal system to comment about your country. Suffice to say, the USA is really the only first-world country (along with South Korea) where there even is any real argument about abortion which in itself is interesting.

[Bioture]

I'm not American

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LOL?

[gran guerrero]

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[Bioture]

While you've not specifically said it, you state that you basically only support a limited application of abortion. These are the oft quoted 'saving the mother's life, in cases of incest and rape'. his logically means that you do not support any other reason why someone may have an abortion. Which means that if someone wants an abortion because it's their choice to have one (for whatever reason) it means that you do not support it.

Yes. But I can do that and believe in a woman's right to liberty. I do not support something is different than me voting to outlaw something (or banning it completely.)

1) The stance that "Abortion is murder".

2)The stance that 'people need to be more responsible'.

I would add two more, if you want to be inclusive and "multicultural."

3) The stance that a baby is not a human being until it leaves the womb.

and 4) The stance that an argument of responsibility is a non sequitor. If this was true, there would be no need to improve human rights in any circumstance. And historically, we know that's not true.

[gran guerrero]

if you are pro-life stop eating meat

hypocrites

[Bioture]

I think after this I'd be willing to consider abortion as appropriate if the child has a serious disease that would result in its death soon after birth.

There. That's the compromise. Progress is made today.

[gran guerrero]

and stop eating eggs that are unborn chickens

[gran guerrero]

if you counter what I said

by saying you are pro-human life

then go argue matters that try to stop war, capital punishment, every disease and famine/lack of clean water in third world countries such as Africa, feed and shelter the homeless, and a plethora of other things that can help protect human lives from ending.

[gran guerrero]

but no you won't do that

you'd rather argue whether or not a fetus is alive or not

[Epinephrine]

I think I see the problem in the entire conversation. It's that you don't believe you are very conservative:

Before I start, I should reiterate again for the millionth time that I believe abortions should be available in extreme circumstances such as rape, and health issues. But these extreme examples make up for a very small percentage of abortions in the U.S. This is not a new belief for most moderate conservatives. For women's rights: I believe in them. I think you're still arguing from the standpoint that I'm very conservative when it comes to abortion, when the reality is that most conservatives are not. In my experience, most pro-choicers are similarly not very liberal, and find fault in late-term pregnancies when a fetus is more fully formed.

Where I come from, if you believe abortions should only be allowed because of "extreme circumstances", it makes you very conservative.

From where you come from, I guess not?

[gran guerrero]

You probably don't give a shit about the actual humans who are alive and suffering and dying every day

you aren't pro-life

you are just pro-controlling women's rights to decide what to do with their bodies

would you want a woman to pass laws telling men to stop jerkin off because its detrimental to creating human life?

fucking hypocrites the lot of you.

[Supreme]

Im gonna have to emphasize Eph to state you are actually pretty damn conservative, bio.

[Bioture]

I think I see the problem in the entire conversation. It's that you don't believe you are very conservative:

Where I come from, if you believe abortions should only be allowed because of "extreme circumstances", it makes you very conservative.

From where you come from, I guess not?

I think that's a fair observation. Also that I do not want to outright "ban" it for any reason, even in circumstances of irresponsibility.

In general, I would say I'm moderately conservative.

To a liberal, it's fair to think of me as pretty damn conservative.

Edit: If you want someone VERY conservative, I can get my friend Ken Cuccinelli. http://www.cuccinelli.com/issues/life

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