Pro-life or pro-choice?

[the_paul]

Adding to your reasons of being pro-choice that, were it made illegal, women would go to "underground" abortion clinics and have it done in an unsafe manner is one that you should probably remove. I get what you're saying and realize that nothing hinges on that one aspect of your reasoning, but it is one that has always driven me crazy to hear irl, as it is a very bad point to have back up your view.

[T3l Ca7]

If abortion equal to murder your unborn fetus, we need to consider the following:

Are we eating eggs or are we killing unborn chickens?

Vegetarians who don't want to kill animals should stop eating plants and seeds because of all those 'unheard voices': that plants want to live too, and those damn seeds are just 'unborn plants'. It is okay to drink milk though, but no honey - not cool to steal from the bees.

[Celestial Jeddak]

For me there is no controversy. A fetus is 100% dependent on it's mother for absolutely everything. A baby is not. A fetus turns into a baby when it comes out of the mother. Once it's out, it either dies (because it's too early), or it lives (because outside forces keep it alive). Anyone can take care of a viable baby once it leaves the mother. Absolutely no one can take care of the fetus except for the mother.

I think you should re-examine this, go deeper, or something.

[Celestial Jeddak]

How do abortions affect the economy overall? This goes right along with 'responsibility'.

[Epinephrine]

Adding to your reasons of being pro-choice that, were it made illegal, women would go to "underground" abortion clinics and have it done in an unsafe manner is one that you should probably remove. I get what you're saying and realize that nothing hinges on that one aspect of your reasoning, but it is one that has always driven me crazy to hear irl, as it is a very bad point to have back up your view.

Why is this a bad point? Please explain.

As a simple example, before Roe vs. Wade in the USA, thousands of women died every year in underground illegal abortions.

If abortions were banned again, this would happen once again. While modern medicine has created many more ways to safely do abortions, if it was illegal, then people would have to seek out someone willing to break the law. There would be a good chance that more than one of these underground clinics would be doing it in unsafe or unsanitary ways, thus endangering the lives of women in a way that legal clinics never would.

Explain why this is a bad thing to bring up?

[Bioture]

Adding to your reasons of being pro-choice that, were it made illegal, women would go to "underground" abortion clinics and have it done in an unsafe manner is one that you should probably remove. I get what you're saying and realize that nothing hinges on that one aspect of your reasoning, but it is one that has always driven me crazy to hear irl, as it is a very bad point to have back up your view.

This is a point made when people engage in political framing. Underground abortion clinics are indeed horrendous. If an abortion were to be done in extreme cases, we need legitimate places to send people. This idea was more prominent before Roe v. Wade, as a majority of the states actually deemed abortion illegal. So instead of traveling to New York or some other distant location where one can get an abortion when requested, people turned to more drastic measures and used doctors that were not qualified to perform the procedure.

[Bioture]

If abortion equal to murder your unborn fetus, we need to consider the following:

Are we eating eggs or are we killing unborn chickens?

Your point might be made better if it were balut instead of eggs. Eggs are not fertilized. Balut you're literally eating a pre-hatched chick inside the egg.

I'm actually pretty sure you're trolling at this point.

Also, chicken omelets are pretty messed up, but they taste good.

[DoTheFandango]

What about the view that the baby isn't a human unless it could survive outside the womb, even with the best medical care? I don't even know when that point is, but that's the logical starting point for me.

[Supreme]

I agree, and right now abortion is already not legal long before that (in most areas).

[Supreme]

This is a point made when people engage in political framing. Underground abortion clinics are indeed horrendous. If an abortion were to be done in extreme cases, we need legitimate places to send people. This idea was more prominent before Roe v. Wade, as a majority of the states actually deemed abortion illegal. So instead of traveling to New York or some other distant location where one can get an abortion when requested, people turned to more drastic measures and used doctors that were not qualified to perform the procedure.

We should definately outlaw alcohol guyzzz

Ps: Not everyone can afford a NY trip

[Pearl Jam]

Hey assholes, can you hurry up and figure this issue out? I'm tired of feeling conflicting emotions every time I eat a "Moons Over My Hammy" at Denny's.

[the_paul]

Why is this a bad point? Please explain.

As a simple example, before Roe vs. Wade in the USA, thousands of women died every year in underground illegal abortions.

If abortions were banned again, this would happen once again. While modern medicine has created many more ways to safely do abortions, if it was illegal, then people would have to seek out someone willing to break the law. There would be a good chance that more than one of these underground clinics would be doing it in unsafe or unsanitary ways, thus endangering the lives of women in a way that legal clinics never would.

Explain why this is a bad thing to bring up?

That's like saying we should legalize rape and teach men the way to do it more safely, so as to try to avoid as much long term trauma as possible. I mean people are going to do it regardless of legality, so why not legalize it and make it a little safer for all parties?

[gran guerrero]

I'm for legalization of rape

[the_paul]

saw that cumming a mile away

[Bioture]

abortions for all.

no abortions for anybody.

abortions for some, miniature American flags for others?