Free Cres! (ForumBan)

[Mock]

free this *** #freecres Last edited by Shaddowknight; Today at 04:06 PM.

Did shaddowknight just ban someone for saying "ngr" now? Does this idiot realize that there is a guy with the alias "ngr" in tw? Is someone going to strip this faggots powers anytime soon? Ridiculous.

[Turban]

#freecres

[Hulk]

Staff is so fucking useless. Using "ngr" and getting banned is such a joke. Cres is doing more for this zone by just capping a TWL squad than any of you faggot staffers sitting in pub 0 waiting for a tk call to come in.

[zidane]

this game is dying (has been for a while) gotta stop banning ppl for dumb reasons : (

[Turban]

i have always been a fan of the moderate with moderation principle when it comes to being a moderator in games or even forums, and honestly think that it's outrageous of you two to lay bans left and right in the name of justice and then use the rules as your safety net when they have never been used in this way. this ban is an absolute joke. it's truly sickening to see something that i've loved get ruined by two individuals who simply do not know how to regulate these forums, and basically are ruining our legacy.

truth of the matter is that no one has ever gotten banned for quoting another player on these forums, and all of this will simply lead to a domino effect where more and more players will riot and start breaking the rules, ultimately killing most of the forum activity.

honestly wouldn't mind if you two were actually doing your job and banned someone for blatant racism, or for some other valid reason, but the moment you started to ban players for quoting others and writing "nigga" or "ngR" was when you crossed the line. this wasn't the first time you guys made a questionable decision, and it most certainly won't be the last.

these forums aren't a dollhouse; stop playing around, what you are doing is causing more harm than good.

#freecres

[9th!]

#BanCresForLonger




J/k

If the rules are black and white and one is broken, it is easy to move forward accordingly.

If there is a gray area then the person dealing with it should proceed as he/she sees right.

In this case we need to just accept and move on.

[kthx]

Its that time of the quarter again huh.

[Fork]

Allow dis:

!sub cres:fork+azov
!ban fork+azov

FIXED!!!

Lol I'm already banned fgt so now I'm gonna have to type to bot:

!subban cres: Mtine
!multiplybanTime x 10

[Ephemeral]

Without commenting on the duration or scope of the ban, I am going to side with the mods here. Why does anyone need to use the word? How can anyone NOT know that they are, at the very least, dancing in an area that is going to cause problems? Regardless of the sanity or sense of the rules, there are what they are and there hundreds of other people somehow manage to abide by them. It’s not rocket science.

But once again we find that everyone is trying to assume what another person’s ‘intent’ was. No one knows what is inside another person’s head and what they are thinking. TW has absolutely no rules regarding being a racist. No one can control what another person thinks. But there are rules against discrimination. Being a racist is a state of mind and anyone is welcome to think that way. But you aren’t allowed to display outward discriminatory behavior. Discriminatory behavior is not hard to identify and no one has to make any assumptions when it happens.

So regardless of whatever Cres intentions may or may not have been, only he knows for sure. The only observable thing we can agree upon is that he said it; the rest of this discussion is speculation and pretty lame. Again, I am not saying that the duration or scope of his punishment fits his ‘crime’ but frankly it was a stupid move and he certainly knew, at a minimum, it was pushing the boundaries.

If we said that the word ‘dog’ was illegal to use we would have a small percentage of players who would then spend their time, and the zone’s resources, playing games on seeing how much they could get away with. “Woof woof.” “I only said he was in the dog house” etc. etc. We can certainly debate for weeks on the stupidity of banning a word like dog but this is a different discussion then arguing over someone who is pushing the boundaries and should have known better.
Eph

[Turban]

i think this is more about the fact that players are getting instantly banned for a duration of 5 to 7 days, without even giving them a warning or a chance to explain their actions. in my opinion this is something we should not be doing on these forums. it is fine to do some moderating, and try to keep this place as friendly as possible, but when you start taking extreme actions you will soon notice that hell breaks loose and you will lose the little credibility that you once had.

although, i do agree that the use of those words is quite tasteless by the players, even in a non-racist context / as an attempt to be funny, but still it's bad moderating from both of you to ban them without a warning, especially when our in-game penalties aren't even close to being as harsh when it comes to racism and the n-word.

full censorship => fuck that.

players who browse these forums and decide to download the game will be in for a pleasant surprise as we are far more lenient when it comes to in-game moderation.

[Reckful]

Havent seen the word nigga used in a discriminatory fashion in years idk why its a rule in game its common as hell these days. Nigger on the other hand sure I get it but its whatever mall cops will be mall cops until crucified like 4o the cycle will repeat itself again in time im sure.

[Turban]

watch out, you might get banned for that post reckful.

[Ephemeral]

Turb,
Anyone can start a new topic and rally to change a rule. But we should not confuse the issues here. I may think that the pot smoking laws are stupid but I lose creditability when I try to argue against them AFTER I have been arrested.

The duration and scope of this particular ban is certainly a legitimate debate but we should not, in my opinion, confuse it with a rules discussion.

The reason I bring this up is because this is exactly the kind of thing that has derailed this community for years. Instead of doing thing correctly, we muck around in emo drama for days, wasting time and effort and never really changing anything. As you are well aware, this is exactly what happened with the Racka/Fork TWL thing. Everyone gets all wrapped up in the personalities and drama but the underlying logic is left behind as road-kill. If folks truly wanted changes, if they truly cared about the community and had 2 fucking ounces of common sense, they would try to proactively affect change independent of the drama. Sad truth is that most of this stuff is nothing more than little boys playing games and sucking up everyone's time and resources while the real improvements go unattended.
Eph

[Turban]

i didn't even know the forum rules changed this year, and if i'm correct, there was no announcement about our new forum policies. these two would have an easier time if people simply stopped using the word altogether, but boys will be boys and are likely never to grow up.

nevertheless, i think we should move to context based racism rule instead of handing out 5-7 days ban for simply using the word. heck, even reckful should get banned for 5 to 7 days, even though his post doesn't have the slightest bit of racism in its context, simply because of the rules that these guys are so adamant of following.

that's not how you win fans, lads.

[Turban]

don't get me wrong.

i do think he should have known better, especially when you consider that he was banned for five days (overkill much) for a small case of racism. however, it is worth mentioning that no one has ever banned someone for quoting another player. it is up to the moderators to censor those words if they are going to do that, and a player shouldn't be punished for it.

this is not how the forums used to be regulated. we aren't used to these new rules that you guys are trying to enforce. start giving the players a chance to explain their actions and issue appropriate warnings based on the severity of the case. stop being so damn ban happy.

#freecres #freeothers #leniency