World Politics

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by Mandagorian
My logic is based more on facts, you're assuming that their will be someone their for you when you die and that God does exist but you have no proof. Rather you live your life based on a document that is fictioion.

A)Stop being ageism, it's just as bad as racism in some ways. And I find it funny that your wife is only a few years older then me.
B)Stop comparing God to actual events like a tornado, they have nothing to do with eachother. I think your biggest problem is mixing up fact and fiction.

Your logic is asinine. You think that by believing something doesn't exist that you will not be affected by it... even if it really does exist and you refuse to acknowledge it.
A) You're out of it... looking for shit that aint there. There's nothing in my life to show any ageism.
B) Analogies and parables is how God tells His story. Get over it. You're never going to find a device which proves the spiritual. God intended it that way. That's also why He erased our memories or our pre-existence. But we'll get that memory back when we're done with this world. God put us in this life having only the core of our being; that deep desire in our heart that reveals who we really are. If it were possible for a person to see inside the hearts of others and make a video of it... this life on earth is that video of each person's heart.

As I said, I know God exists. I've met God. I know God as a very close and special friend. He makes Himself known to me and helps and comforts me when I need Him.
You guys that have never met Him and probably never will in this life will just have to wait for His return. Unless He has it in His plan for an appointed time before His return to reveal Himself to you.

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by Savageee
Good, then you can say "I told you so" to everyone.

There will be no "I told you so" on the day of the Lord. Everyone's eyes will be opened and everyone will know their place with the Lord. And we will love each other with open arms, rejoicing because the big trial is over and evil is bound and confined for our duration in the Lord's millennial kingdom.

[Bioture]

Originally posted by HeavenSent
Your logic is asinine.
-and your reasoning is faulty.

You think that by believing something doesn't exist that you will not be affected by it...
-yea, if its not there then how can you be affected?

even if it really does exist and you refuse to acknowledge it.
-if its there, and readily makes himself available, and shows sufficient proof of such an existence, then i will acknowledge it. I will, however, under no circumstance accept anything that can be so readily disproven.

A) You're out of it... looking for shit that aint there. There's nothing in my life to show any ageism.

-if you are 45 and trying to prove a point, consider it rejected/disproven by a bunch of kids.

B) Analogies and parables is how God tells His story. Get over it. You're never going to find a device which proves the spiritual. God intended it that way. That's also why He erased our memories or our pre-existence.

-ah shit, you mean when i die there isnt gonna be anything left? goddamn i wished our souls could maintain our memories.

But we'll get that memory back when we're done with this world. God put us in this life having only the core of our being; that deep desire in our heart that reveals who we really are. If it were possible for a person to see inside the hearts of others and make a video of it... this life on earth is that video of each person's heart.

-confusing. since souls do not consist of any memories, how do we know which one is which?

As I said, I know God exists. I've met God. I know God as a very close and special friend.

-i also like to play pretend.

He makes Himself known to me and helps and comforts me when I need Him.

-so instead of saving the lives of people around the world god has nothing better to do than comfort middle aged people and make thier insecurities disappear.

You guys that have never met Him and probably never will in this life will just have to wait for His return.

-i locked him out and threw away the key.

Unless He has it in His plan for an appointed time before His return to reveal Himself to you.

-this made no sense whatsoever. he shoulda revealed himself to me when I was ready. Not when he is ready.

Look around you. Look what religion is doing. Wars being fought over it. People dying for thier nonexistent gods. Its a pitiful world we live in filled with the ignorant and gullible. Should there be just one god, and should anyone be able to prove he exists, I am certain the world would be united under this supreme being. But sadly, there isn't just one god. There are many gods, many beliefs.

The world rests on the shoulders of those who can distinguish reality and fantasy. The reality is the world is in havoc, there is death, starvation, disease. And the fantasy? the fantasy is that all of these things would disappear without our intervention, but with a divine intervention.

[Fit of Rage]

Originally posted by Troll King
No need to get personal here folks. It's bad enough to have to stand up and defend your faith. A lot of these questions are well thought out, but a lot of them are petty ones trying to sneak in a kidney shot under the haymakers.

Folks. Great great word.

Oh yeah, and listen to TK. Heav, there's little point to arguing over the existance of God on an internet forum. People will believe what they like.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I still don't see an answer to my question.

[Cylor]

Hmm...this has developed into quite the thread...err arguement.

It also seems that I was the one who really got under HeavenSent's skin (after all, he did give me the emoction).

Hey you pompus, ignoramous dick-whad. God didn't tell you to be an ass on this forum. That was your choice Mr. Taint Scratch. The American populace, or any other nation for that matter is not accurately represented by the government. Can I still be a happy American while my country goes to shit? Hell yes I can you pinhead. After-all, foreskin nibbler, what does the word "blessed" mean? It means happy... penis pollisher, and compared to the rest of the world, snatch rott, the average American lives like a king.... A Sofa King Blessed Patriot. You can thank America for the internet... menstral mouth,.. and a whole hell of a lot of other shit that makes life so much less burdensome. God has blessed America & Americans are truly blessed.

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus call me a pompous, ignoramus dick-whad? Or how about a penis polisher or a menstral mouth? God didn't tell you to call me childish names.

Oh ya, weren't you just saying that "[you believed] America is God's country?" Wouldn't that then make our representative government a reflection of the people? You are just filled with contradictions.

If you knew the Bible you would know that God loves everyone, and therefore everyone is equally blessed. America does not get any special treatment. God did not say "And so I shall grant thee holy Americans a free ride through life and make sure they are always happy" now did He?

I'm sorry TK, but I'm going to have to take this cheap shot. Heaven, God says not to cuss, and yet you find it right to use "he**" and "shi*" in a flame against me.

You also gave me the impression that you don't think liberals can believe in God, which is EXTREMELY ignorant.

I believe in God, and my faith isn't questioned by reason (or an online discussion for that matter)...however yours is. I have reasoned everything out for myself (my faith in God) and I am hard pressed to find any reason in your mindless preaching of the bible.

And for any non-believers, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about my faith.

[HeavenSent]

-and your reasoning is faulty.
That's your opinion.

-yea, if its not there then how can you be affected?
Oh it's there and one day in the future you'll see it. Just have patience.

-if its there, and readily makes himself available, and shows sufficient proof of such an existence, then i will acknowledge it. I will, however, under no circumstance accept anything that can be so readily disproven.
Well then don't hold your breath because you're obviously no one worth God's time to visit.

-if you are 45 and trying to prove a point, consider it rejected/disproven by a bunch of kids.
By your conditional statement, I win. I'm not 45.

-ah shit, you mean when i die there isnt gonna be anything left? goddamn i wished our souls could maintain our memories.
Huh? You're another one lacking in comprehension.

-confusing. since souls do not consist of any memories, how do we know which one is which?
*Oh you don't believe in God, but you believe in souls? Moreover, you claim to understand souls have no memories. Do I smell a little hypocrisy here? Or is it your head fell out of your ass just long enough for you to contemplate the lives of souls?

-i also like to play pretend.
I can see that you are pretty pretentious.

-so instead of saving the lives of people around the world god has nothing better to do than comfort middle aged people and make thier insecurities disappear.
You're also a whiner.

-i locked him out and threw away the key.
Then why should He even attempt to get through to you? You've already told Him to stay away from you. So be the happy camper you are treading in your own sea of ignorance.

-this made no sense whatsoever. he shoulda revealed himself to me when I was ready. Not when he is ready.
You were never ready and never will be without a divine intervention. God is not our servant, we are His. We serve Him.

[MaGi kOz]

Originally posted by Bioture
so instead of saving the lives of people around the world god has nothing better to do than comfort middle aged people and make thier insecurities disappear.

Sarcasm in text is subtle. Please label your sarcasm properly with the [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags.

[MaGi kOz]

How did God talk to you? Did he talk to you in English? How did he look like? My black friend who says he has also seen God says that God is black, is this true? What is the meaning of life? Are we just toys; puppets under God's hands and for his entertainment? Is God lonely? He seems lonely. How was God born? Where did he come from? Do you like hamburgers or cheeseburgers? If God is in everything and everyone, does that mean I should stop walking on the ground for he is the ground? I don't want to step on him. Is it true that everytime people masturbate, God kills a kitten ? That's mean. One time I tried to talk to God, I got beat up by some kids because they thought I was crazy and talking to myself. Why does God do this to me? God is mean.

[HeavenSent]

What would Jesus do? Would Jesus call me a pompous, ignoramus dick-whad? Or how about a penis polisher or a menstral mouth? God didn't tell you to call me childish names.
No. God did not tell me to go off as i did. Did God tell Moses to kill the Egyptian? Did God tell David to send Uriah to die so that he could have Uriah's wife? Did God tell Levi & Simeon to slaughter a whole town because they defiled their sister? No, No & No. Yet afterwards, God made Moses the high priest of Israel. God says that David will be His #2 man in the millennial kingdom. God made Levi the father of the priestly tribe.

Oh ya, weren't you just saying that "[you believed] America is God's country?" Wouldn't that then make our representative government a reflection of the people? You are just filled with contradictions.
Contradictions perhaps if i'm being misunderstood.. which i certainly am. God has made a promise and provided us with a way out of our shortcomings.

If you knew the Bible you would know that God loves everyone, and therefore everyone is equally blessed. America does not get any special treatment. God did not say "And so I shall grant thee holy Americans a free ride through life and make sure they are always happy" now did He?
Oh really? Sounds like you're a spoon-feeder. God does not love everyone. That's just wishful thinking from the religious community which I have no affiliation with. I don't buy into any mainstream religion because as I said, the masses are asses and always will be. In the Book of Rev., of the 7 churches Jesus addresses, only 2 was He pleased with. The thing those two churches had in common was that they taught who those were that called themselves Jews and were not.

I'm sorry TK, but I'm going to have to take this cheap shot. Heaven, God says not to cuss, and yet you find it right to use "he**" and "shi*" in a flame against me.
There's a lot that God says not to do yet we still do it. Paul says, "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. (Rom:7:15) We don't get to heaven by our own righteousness. It's the righteousness of Christ that gets us into heaven. Not by what we do, but what Christ did.

You also gave me the impression that you don't think liberals can believe in God, which is EXTREMELY ignorant.
That's your opinion and your opinion is wrong. Nice try trying to put words in my mouth i never said. Dick

I believe in God, and my faith isn't questioned by reason (or an online discussion for that matter)...however yours is. I have reasoned everything out for myself (my faith in God) and I am hard pressed to find any reason in your mindless preaching of the bible.
Good for you..
...like i care what you think... pfft!

And for any non-believers, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about my faith.
Go for it colon blow!

[Bioture]

HeavenSent, you are a smart kid. Please dont resort to name calling because you cant attack my ideas.

whiner? pretentious? awww poor baby! does bio make u wanna convert? here have a lollypop.

But the whole arguement is whether or not your god is accountable for this universe. (or in this case, accountable for setting rules in the constitution, after all, it is one nation under GOD)
If a god conceived, planned and constructed everything in this universe, then it is responsible for absolutely everything that happens in its' universe, including all the suffering. In fact suffering must be its' concept. If a god made this universe, it must have made diseases like leprosy, rabies, etc. (Or is the devil responsible for that part of the ecology?)
Nothing can happen in this universe that wasn't God's idea in the first place. God thought of carnivores, parasites, disease, mass starvation, genocide, wars, crusades, rape, necrophilia, child abuse etc. then he went ahead and created them.

Or perhaps god was bored, so for entertainment, it set-up the initial conditions of a universe, then stood back and watched as the universe ran its course. However in this scenario it is still responsible for the suffering because any entity that is powerful enough to set-up a universe would be intelligent enough to predict its possible courses, or we would be faced with the absurd situation of things happening in the universe that the god never conceived of, of the god being taken by surprise by mutations, disease, war, rape, child abuse, necrophilia etc.

This is all God's system. He planned it all.
Any entity that is responsible for this universe is responsible for pain and suffering and therefore cannot be good.

God takes credit for everything, accepts blame for nothing.

And religious people tend to paint a rosy picture of reality. Harping on about the beauty of life, pretty flowers, waterfalls, the sky, the 'miracle' of life and a world of smiling happy people. Denying the harsh realities enables them to see their god as good (holy). After all what kind of a god would create a world of droughts, floods, earthquakes, disease etc., a world where a mother witnesses her child's legs being blown off by a Serbian shell, a world of greed, war, mutilation, mutations, broken families, broken children, Aids babies, mass starvation, quadriplegics, insanity, cerebral palsy, motor neurones disease, lies, pollution, environmental destruction, rape, child abuse, torture, murder, mass murder, genocide, alcoholism, etc., etc. (for more information please consult your local library) A world whose creator cannot possibly be good.

Only a benevolent god is worth worshipping. The god described in the bible is certainly not benevolent. Any entity that is responsible for this world cannot possibly be benevolent.

If we are god's children. Then god is a child abuser.

[Bioture]

Oh by the way, there is no way you can argue that christians are better people than the rest of humankind. There are just as many murderers, rapists, child abusers, priest who sexually abuse children etc. in the christian religion as in any other grouping. Millions of people have been killed in the name of Christ. In fact christians are responsible for more deaths and mutilations than any other religion, and today christian countries manufacture and export more weapons than any other block of countries. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

And the term "god fearing" puzzles me. If God is good why fear him? Good people don't frighten me, only megalomaniacal dictators and insanely violent criminals do.

And god artificially inseminates mary. All is well in the world!

[Fit of Rage]

Originally posted by Bioture
If we are god's children. Then god is a child abuser.

Should we call the National Crisis Hotline?

Edit: Just thought of it-

"Who you gonna call? ... Ghostbusters!"

[Cylor]

I was using your words againt you, in case you didn't catch that (You said "God didn't tell you to be an a$$ on this forum"). Therefore I could use your same drawn out explanation on you.

Contradictions perhaps if i'm being misunderstood.. which i certainly am. God has made a promise and provided us with a way out of our shortcomings.

Dodging the question again.

Oh really? Sounds like you're a spoon-feeder. God does not love everyone. That's just wishful thinking from the religious community which I have no affiliation with. I don't buy into any mainstream religion because as I said, the masses are asses and always will be. In the Book of Rev., of the 7 churches Jesus addresses, only 2 was He pleased with. The thing those two churches had in common was that they taught who those were that called themselves Jews and were not.

GOD DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE? That is one of the biggest principles the Bible is centered around. For someone who is a firm believer in the Bible to say this is hypocritical. This has nothing to do with mainstream religion.

There's a lot that God says not to do yet we still do it. Paul says, "For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. (Rom:7:15) We don't get to heaven by our own righteousness. It's the righteousness of Christ that gets us into heaven. Not by what we do, but what Christ did.

But yet you should still try to make God happy...or try to live up to His greatness. And actually, we have to accept Christ into our hearts to receive salvation, therefore it is by what we do. If this were true than no one would have to believe in God, therefore it is by our righteousness.

That's your opinion and your opinion is wrong. Nice try trying to put words in my mouth i never said. Dick

Here:

Democrats to the constitution is very similar to Catholics to the Bible. Republicans want to preserve the Consitution and enforce what's already in the books. Democrats want to rewrite the Constitution and add laws upon laws, which are really loop-holes for them to snake out of their own snares.

That's the problem with people in this age of technology. Many think the basics of good morality change with the times. Yet, isn't stealing still stealing? ..and lying still lying? ...and murder still murder? It's when you have ASSHOLES like BILL CLINTON trying to change the friggin' definition of the word "IS". Take away our technology and we're still the same creatures with the same wants, needs & emotions we had 1000s of years ago.

This gave me the impression along with your other 30 posts in this topic.

Good for you..
...like i care what you think... pfft!

You obviously care what I think because you cared enough to respond to my posts.

And my last statement wasn't directed at you, thus the intro "For you non-believers".

[Cylor]

Bio, if I may I'd like to give a shot at trying to explaining this.

The question "If God exists, why do bad things happen?" is tough to explain. The main thing you must accept is Man is inherently evil (as proven by Adam and Eve). Things like rape, genocide, genocide, etc. are results of this evil. This evil is known as sin, and this occurrs when ever people fall short of the glory of God. Jesus died for our sins, the ultimate sacrifice. Therefore our sins our forgiven if we accept Christ into our hearts.

However, accepting Christ is a choice, and those that do not accept will find themselves committing these crimes. If they do not accept Christ into their hearts, the evil still exists.

God is responsible for everything that happens on Earth and does accept the responsibility. He offers a great salvation for all of us if we are willing to believe in him.

I know that's a lot of stuff to take (especially when it's on a forum) but if that helps you at all as to understanding God than I am happy. Please ask more questions if you don't get it.