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Originally posted by Bioture
If a god conceived, planned and constructed everything in this universe, then it is responsible for absolutely everything that happens in its' universe, including all the suffering. In fact suffering must be its' concept. If a god made this universe, it must have made diseases like leprosy, rabies, etc. (Or is the devil responsible for that part of the ecology?)
Nothing can happen in this universe that wasn't God's idea in the first place. God thought of carnivores, parasites, disease, mass starvation, genocide, wars, crusades, rape, necrophilia, child abuse etc. then he went ahead and created them.
The suffering is part of the punishment. The reason there's suffering is because of everyone's postition before they were every born into this world. Like I've said many times, this world as we know is a re-enactment of a time already long gone. This world is the trial for that rebellion that took place. And the last thing to happen in this world will happen just as it happened in the place we've all come from; where Lucifer descends upon the earth proclaiming to be God.
Or perhaps god was bored, so for entertainment, it set-up the initial conditions of a universe, then stood back and watched as the universe ran its course. However in this scenario it is still responsible for the suffering because any entity that is powerful enough to set-up a universe would be intelligent enough to predict its possible courses, or we would be faced with the absurd situation of things happening in the universe that the god never conceived of, of the god being taken by surprise by mutations, disease, war, rape, child abuse, necrophilia etc.
There's nothing new under the sun. Nothing that will be done hasn't already been done. This world is a repeat of a former world and we as spirits are reliving it.
This is all God's system. He planned it all.
Any entity that is responsible for this universe is responsible for pain and suffering and therefore cannot be good.
God takes credit for everything, accepts blame for nothing.
What was the worst thing you've ever done? (rhetorical question) Did God tell you to do it? No. Does God tell people to do evil? No. Do we have a choice of what we do? Yes. Are there evil people? Yes. You see (perhaps you don't) Like Adam and Eve who didn't accept the responsibility for what they had done, neither do most of us accept the responsibility for our actions. People hurt people, not God. Before we come into this world, we know the pain and suffering we'll have to endure and we accept it. It's like being a big boy and accepting the punishment for what-ever wrong doing we may have done.
And religious people tend to paint a rosy picture of reality. Harping on about the beauty of life, pretty flowers, waterfalls, the sky, the 'miracle' of life and a world of smiling happy people. Denying the harsh realities enables them to see their god as good (holy). After all what kind of a god would create a world of droughts, floods, earthquakes, disease etc., a world where a mother witnesses her child's legs being blown off by a Serbian shell, a world of greed, war, mutilation, mutations, broken families, broken children, Aids babies, mass starvation, quadriplegics, insanity, cerebral palsy, motor neurones disease, lies, pollution, environmental destruction, rape, child abuse, torture, murder, mass murder, genocide, alcoholism, etc., etc. (for more information please consult your local library) A world whose creator cannot possibly be good.
It gives God much pain also to see all the evil loose on the world. But the trial must go on.
Only a benevolent god is worth worshipping. The god described in the bible is certainly not benevolent. Any entity that is responsible for this world cannot possibly be benevolent.
If we are god's children. Then god is a child abuser.
If a god conceived, planned and constructed everything in this universe, then it is responsible for absolutely everything that happens in its' universe, including all the suffering. In fact suffering must be its' concept. If a god made this universe, it must have made diseases like leprosy, rabies, etc. (Or is the devil responsible for that part of the ecology?)
Nothing can happen in this universe that wasn't God's idea in the first place. God thought of carnivores, parasites, disease, mass starvation, genocide, wars, crusades, rape, necrophilia, child abuse etc. then he went ahead and created them.
The suffering is part of the punishment. The reason there's suffering is because of everyone's postition before they were every born into this world. Like I've said many times, this world as we know is a re-enactment of a time already long gone. This world is the trial for that rebellion that took place. And the last thing to happen in this world will happen just as it happened in the place we've all come from; where Lucifer descends upon the earth proclaiming to be God.
Or perhaps god was bored, so for entertainment, it set-up the initial conditions of a universe, then stood back and watched as the universe ran its course. However in this scenario it is still responsible for the suffering because any entity that is powerful enough to set-up a universe would be intelligent enough to predict its possible courses, or we would be faced with the absurd situation of things happening in the universe that the god never conceived of, of the god being taken by surprise by mutations, disease, war, rape, child abuse, necrophilia etc.
There's nothing new under the sun. Nothing that will be done hasn't already been done. This world is a repeat of a former world and we as spirits are reliving it.
This is all God's system. He planned it all.
Any entity that is responsible for this universe is responsible for pain and suffering and therefore cannot be good.
God takes credit for everything, accepts blame for nothing.
What was the worst thing you've ever done? (rhetorical question) Did God tell you to do it? No. Does God tell people to do evil? No. Do we have a choice of what we do? Yes. Are there evil people? Yes. You see (perhaps you don't) Like Adam and Eve who didn't accept the responsibility for what they had done, neither do most of us accept the responsibility for our actions. People hurt people, not God. Before we come into this world, we know the pain and suffering we'll have to endure and we accept it. It's like being a big boy and accepting the punishment for what-ever wrong doing we may have done.
And religious people tend to paint a rosy picture of reality. Harping on about the beauty of life, pretty flowers, waterfalls, the sky, the 'miracle' of life and a world of smiling happy people. Denying the harsh realities enables them to see their god as good (holy). After all what kind of a god would create a world of droughts, floods, earthquakes, disease etc., a world where a mother witnesses her child's legs being blown off by a Serbian shell, a world of greed, war, mutilation, mutations, broken families, broken children, Aids babies, mass starvation, quadriplegics, insanity, cerebral palsy, motor neurones disease, lies, pollution, environmental destruction, rape, child abuse, torture, murder, mass murder, genocide, alcoholism, etc., etc. (for more information please consult your local library) A world whose creator cannot possibly be good.
It gives God much pain also to see all the evil loose on the world. But the trial must go on.
Only a benevolent god is worth worshipping. The god described in the bible is certainly not benevolent. Any entity that is responsible for this world cannot possibly be benevolent.
If we are god's children. Then god is a child abuser.
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