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**ÆNIMA** · 10-14-2003, 05:34 PM

Stop downloading entire albums then.

**sTuPiD-gErBiL** · 10-14-2003, 05:39 PM

stop charging $20 a cd

**Verthanthi** · 10-14-2003, 05:44 PM

Stop allowing Twisted Sister to make movies.

**alkaline** · 10-14-2003, 05:47 PM

wingzero, you are my hero

**CrvenBan** · 10-14-2003, 05:49 PM

My current cd collection: ~400
Numbers of burned CDs in it: ~30 (either custom made mixes or some very hard to get)

Last 100 albums I bought were first downloaded to my PC. Fuck RIAA.

**ÆNIMA** · 10-14-2003, 06:10 PM

No matter how much they charge you for the cds, you are still stealing.

There is no rationalization for the fact that you're stealing.

Yes I do agree that the prices of CDs need to be lowered, but stealing from the RIAA isn't going to help.

Who's to say that once the prices are lowered that piracy will stop dramatically?

**Liquid Blue** · 10-14-2003, 06:11 PM

So true Crven, if I download a couple of tracks and like the music, I'm going to go buy the cd (Best Buy sells most for only 16 bucks). It's not like I won't support an artist I like, I just will sample some tracks first via downloading. And here is some nifty info on Napster 2.0 for you all.

..I just learned something extremely entertaining about this venture. Apparently, the new Napster will use a "tethered download" system for subscribing users ($10 a month). What this means, basically, is that all files downloaded via the program will be forever attached to the program. Should you cease your subscription, your files are gone. You're basically renting these files from the RIAA at ten bucks a month. And from what I can tell, they're planning to encrypt these files nice and heavily to prevent burning to other mediums

**Fit of Rage** · 10-14-2003, 06:17 PM

Situation: You want a song from an album. Just that song, the rest of the album is trash. Do they really expect you to pay $20 for one song? That is extortion, ladies and gentlemen.

Signed.

**bloodzombie** · 10-14-2003, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Liquid Blue
I just learned something extremely entertaining about this venture. Apparently, the new Napster will use a "tethered download" system for subscribing users ($10 a month). What this means, basically, is that all files downloaded via the program will be forever attached to the program. Should you cease your subscription, your files are gone. You're basically renting these files from the RIAA at ten bucks a month. And from what I can tell, they're planning to encrypt these files nice and heavily to prevent burning to other mediums

I don't listen to music on my computer though, so this would be useless for me.

**WingZero** · 10-14-2003, 06:46 PM

Our we really stealing AEnima? MP3's are no where near the quality of a CD. When we download an MP3 we aren't recieving a jewel case, or the pictures and list of songs that is included. We are recieving hardly anything but a sample. Free samples are given all the time. Artists should be thankful that such an oppurtunity is being given. People can sample their music. As for burning the music onto CDR's, we already PAY the RIAA for those, so what does it matter? If they are really that conscerned with it, they can jack up the price of CDRs.

But that is no where near the point, the point is that the RIAA is going about things all wrong. What they are doing is an invasion of privacy and is unconstitutional.

**ConcreteSchlyrd** · 10-14-2003, 07:10 PM

Look, there's absolutely NO WAY to ever fully protect digital music. This is the HUGE OVERSIGHT that the industry doesn't quite understand, for some unknown reason.

The reason is, is that (at some point), music has to be converted to analog to be heard. It is at this point that it's vulnerable to ripping. And chances are, no matter what restrictions the music industry places on the digital spectrum, some enterprising spirit will find a way to capture the analog signal at a near-perfect signal-to-noise ratio.

So, we're left with these two truths:
1) P2P isn't going away. If it ever does fade away, it will just be replaced by something even more powerful.
2) Digital rights managment (DRM) is a joke. A really bad, resource-wasting joke.

I'm not saying that the recording industry should just throw their hands up in the air, but instead of spending millions on developing encryption schemes that are broken as fast as they're developed, they could surely find a better way to market music. By default, most people don't want to rip off an artist, they're just tired of buying the cow instead of just the milk.

**bloodzombie** · 10-14-2003, 07:15 PM

Maybe if they didn't spend millions of dollars on overproducing shit to make britney spears sound good, and started backing actual artists, they woudln't need to charge so much for cds.

**Tyson Bitbeast** · 10-14-2003, 07:19 PM

I've said this before I think on one of the threads can't remember which one. I kind of like the idea of what Napster is doing atm meaning u pay money to download music but with so many programs out there like Winmx , Kazaa , Morpheus and others it's just not what someone would give up to switch over to p2p new napster. I don't think they will ever be able to shut down all the music downloading programs. I know that there is no way I am going to spend 20$ on a cd from which I only like 2 songs.

-Tyson

**alkaline** · 10-14-2003, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by ÆNIMA
No matter how much they charge you for the cds, you are still stealing.

There is no rationalization for the fact that you're stealing.

Yes I do agree that the prices of CDs need to be lowered, but stealing from the RIAA isn't going to help.

Who's to say that once the prices are lowered that piracy will stop dramatically?

prices will be lowered...i learned shit about this in school..i dono why..and some of the cd stores won't carry the certain cd's that will be lowered because of the price redcution

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