Heavensent

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by syzygy
the Allah in Islam and God in various other religions are the same

This couldn't be further from the truth.
If it were the truth, then God would be a fickle liar who manipulates the people against each other.

The fact is that there is One Creator God.. (Judeo-Christian)
.. and mischievous spirits who seek the worship of mortals to confuse and destroy God's children. These spirits, since before the fall of Lucifer have sought to take the place of God.

There was a time, before the Fall and afterwards, when the earth was divided into (70?) regions for ruling (or administering) archangels to govern the affairs of men. Israel is the people that God chose to govern Himself.

Since most of these adminstrators of God have gone bad, God is calling out to all His children around the world to come back to Him.

With mortality, our choices in this temporal life become our testimony as to which side we have chosen to follow. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

Once everyone is on their perspective sides and God has finished passing His judgment, new governors/administrators will be appointed.

[syzygy]

Originally posted by Liquid Blue
Try telling that to some hardcore Muslims. Or even hardcore Christians, that they worship the same god as Osama.

1. Christianity is not one religion.
2. if one isn't "hardcore," then i don't see how one can call him/herself Christian.

Originally posted by HeavenSent
If it were the truth, then God would be a fickle liar who manipulates the people against each other.

how does the fact that two (or more) religions respect the same God in two (or more) ways make God "a fickle liar who manipulates the people against each other"?

[ÆNIMA]

Originally posted by HeavenSent


There was a time, before the Fall and afterwards, when the earth was divided into (70?) regions for ruling (or administering) archangels to govern the affairs of men. Israel is the people that God chose to govern Himself.

Where does it say that in the bible?

Which Fall are you talking about, Adam's fall, or Lucifers? Even though before either fall, there were no people on Earth.

[ÆNIMA]

Originally posted by syzygy
1. Christianity is not one religion.
2. if one isn't "hardcore," then i don't see how one can call him/herself Christian.



how does the fact that two (or more) religions respect the same God in two (or more) ways make God "a fickle liar who manipulates the people against each other"?

Christianity should be one religion. It has several denominations that interperet (and leave stuff out) the bible in many different ways.

The fact that two or more religions respect the same God in different ways doesn't make God a liar. What Heavensent's sayins is that if God directly influenced each of these religions on purpose, then he is a liar.

Most people don't believe that God is a liar, so therefore...there can only be one true church, and that would be one that receives revelation from God.

[Liquid Blue]

Originally posted by syzygy
1. Christianity is not one religion.
2. if one isn't "hardcore," then i don't see how one can call him/herself Christian.

Easy, there are your everyday christians who go to church on sunday and try to do their best in the world and what not, and then you have the "hardcore" mofos that go to church 3 days a week (or more), teach sunday school, every night read the bible before they go to sleep, etc etc. Basically eat breathe and sleep Jesus.

[syzygy]

Originally posted by ÆNIMA
Which Fall are you talking about, Adam's fall, or Lucifers?

from context, Heaven speaks of Lucifer's fall..tho i, too, ask:

Originally posted by ÆNIMA
Where does it say that in the bible?

and Liquid, the everyday Christians u talk about (which happens to be a great percentage of Christians these days) shouldn't be called Christian. with all the denominations, it's hard to know what a true Christian is, but "eat, breathe, and sleep Jesus" sounds about right.

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by Liquid Blue
Easy, there are your everyday christians who go to church on sunday and try to do their best in the world and what not, and then you have the "hardcore" mofos that go to church 3 days a week (or more), teach sunday school, every night read the bible before they go to sleep, etc etc. Basically eat breathe and sleep Jesus.

Religion = be a righteous person.
Christianity = Jesus is our righteousness.

Jesus did everything for us... we just have to believe.. and our belief will dictate our actions.

Religion says "Be a good person"
Christianity says, "Anyone who calls on the NAME of the Lord will be saved."

It's not what we do that saves us and gets us into heaven.. It's what Jesus did and our belief & trust in Him. His blood covers the sins of the believers. The sin is still there underneath His blood.

We are saved by God's grace through our faith in Him.

There is none righteous. All have sinned and fallen short.

(i'll find that verse for ya re:divided regions.... & yeah, Lucifer's fall.)

[Bioture]

stop it. this thread is getting way too serious. kthx.

[Bioture]

Originally posted by HeavenSent
Religion = be a righteous person.
...
There is none righteous. All have sinned and fallen short.

THERE ARE NO RELIGIOUS PEOPLE

[apt]

ME AND BIOTURE ARE GOING TO SLAP HEAVESENT WITH FISH UNTIL HE GIVES AND TELLS EVERYTHING HE KNOWS ABOUT THIS "HEAVEN", I WANT TO GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ÆNIMA]

You can just read the bible if you're really that interested. The New Testament to be exact.

I really should ignore you on these forums also...

[apt]

Why do nerds brag about putting you on ignore, it's like they achieved losing their virginity ;(

[Bioture]

i lost my virginity to apt's mom

[Xog]

....lol

[syzygy]

Heaven, what denomination r u? don't know if this makes a difference, seeing as i don't understand the teachings of all the denominations--just wondering.