Heavensent

[syzygy]

Originally posted by abrasion
Syzygy, do u know what Solidox is? Or have you ever seen or felt liquid oxygen? I HAVE I WIN!

can't say i do/did, but the oxygen i spoke of is the common form..gas. so then, oxygen gas does not exist?

Originally posted by abrasion
And furthermore into, as you know, most praying is done on Sunday, which is his "day off" i might add. No wonder you people dont get anything.

if one is truly Christian, no one day of the week is different from the others. prayer should, and usually does, continue throughout the week. and God's resting day is only emphasized in Judaism, as far as i know. it doesn't mean He takes a day off of listening and caring.

Originally posted by abrasion
God loves me; but if i cheat on my wife i burn in hel for all of time.

take out "if i cheat on my wife." even if u never sinned (though impossible), u r "sentenced" to spend eternity in hell. sin is a part of everyone, whether alive or unborn; not believing in God is sin, but upon our acceptance that Jesus saved us (demonstrating God's love) we r redeemed.

Originally posted by abrasion
I cant see hell or heaven, never have, no has, meaning that it is somewhat "In-dimensional." Since this is true, at the end of time, Heaven and hell would apparently still be there; because, well, it was never there to begin with in the first place.

everything that has a beginning has an end, so likewise, if something doesn't have a beginning (as u suggested), it doesn't have an end (as u contradicted).

Originally posted by apt
I wait for someone like syz or Heavensent to return with about 10 quoted lines from the Bible to argue your standpoint abrasion

All they can ever do is quote it, that is their only line of defense

not once on these forums have i quoted the Bible to defend my belief. the second u see a book, chapter, and verse number at the end of a paragraph, i'm guessing u don't even bother to read the quote. personally, i think the Bible is too strong for nonbelievers, that it is only used to strengthen the minds of Jesus's followers. it is the follower's job to confront the nonbeliever, and the nonbeliever's job to care enough about it to start praying.

[apt]

DAMN, you have been brainwashed good my friend.

[syzygy]

almost as much as u've been brainwashed by society, eh?

[apt]

Wrong ;( All my thoughts have come from my own conclusions, I have devoured into Science, Biology, I was Christian until my Teenage years, partaking from Baptism, Communion, Confirmation. I have plunged into Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism , Juddhism, to minor Indian practices. And none of my current ideas have been taken from any of these practices. I think for myself, unlike you.

Time for the Bomb

Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing,"Yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down, down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.

Contrary to what most people think, belief in God is not virtuous or righteous, nor is it a sign of intelligence or integrity. Belief in anything is indicative of ignorance and unawareness, despite what so-called religionists and moralists attempt to depict. Belief in God does absolutely no good at all; in fact, it is the cause of an atrocious percentage of wars and conflicts humanity has fought over the millennia. Nearly every group that has fought in war has believed in a god who was on its particular side. Each cult or faction which has won has believed that its god provided it with the win; and each that has lost has believed that its god abandoned it.

A believer's faith in the anthropomorphic god has never made "him" real. The only way believers can make God real to any degree is by killing and/or converting others to their egotistical and ethnocentric, racist and sexist interpretation of God. No matter how hard you may believe in your version of the formless, genderless, raceless Divinity, this will not make it so. If such a god were real, there would be no need for belief and faith. Belief is absolutely irrelevant and neither proves nor serves anything.

The knowing of God - the Ultimate Truth - comes through a merging of one's individual consciousness with that of universal consciousness, the union of one's own mind with the mind of the Creator. The Creator is revealed as being Creativity Itself. It is simply the quality of creativity, and not a person. The Creator is the aspect of the Cosmic Psyche/Mind that allows for creativity. It is the mechanism by which the universe creates life and perpetuates itself. The Creator has no gender, no form and no race or ethnicity. It is not a human being, as much as the meaningless and petty little human would wish to make of it. Knowing God as the Creative Life Force behind all creation, instead of a silly white male human being seated in a castle in the clouds, is the ultimate freedom of perspective. It is only in the knowing, however, and not the believing, that this freedom of perspective comes into being.

In this respect, and because this formless, genderless and raceless Truth/God/Tao exists with or without human belief, it is positively useless to believe in God. This Life Force will have existence everywhere at all times whether or not anyone believes in it. It is like the sun. You do not need to believe in the sun. You can see it and feel it. You are certain that it exists. Even if you did not believe in it, it would still exist. It surely does not care if you don't believe in it.

Blind belief, whether in God or anything else, is not only ridiculous and immature, it is dangerous, as is evidenced by the countless murders and atrocities committed by believers over the millennia, and by violent acts that will continue to be committed so long as humans think it virtuous and righteous to believe in an anthropomorphic god who is separate from themselves. Such an opinion is not virtuous at all; on the contrary, it is lowly and base, and the mark of a poor intellect.

Belief in God is not a sign of piety and godliness but of ignorance and incomplete realization and evolution of consciousness. No person drowned in belief and delusion can be whole, can be his or her own authority. Any such person is controllable by outside authority, cannot think for him or herself, and does not move on his or her own authenticity. He or she is not autonomous. He or she is not free. Such a person is not in tune with the force of creation and is therefore not creative. The center of creativity of a believer is clogged up and closed down.

The intelligent person strives to know "God," rather than settling for childish and naive belief in another's interpretation of a formless divinity. And knowing is science. This attainment of knowledge may done through study, contemplation, meditation and the ultimate experience of perfect inner silence, and not through any belief whatsoever. There is no god person who needs your belief or defense. It is not possible to insult or blaspheme that which does not exist; hence, warlike and violent defense of your limited concept of the Divine is retarded and unconscious. Indeed, the only "blasphemy" is treating real, living human beings like pathetic, born-in-sin pieces of garbage while exalting an invisible and imaginary giant man in the sky. There is certainly nothing righteous in this behavior. What is righteous is perceiving the entire cosmos as sublime and marvellous.

Those who profess to be religious usually do so with great pride and feeling of being good. They think that they are getting brownie points with some deity in the sky or some society creature. Others who hear their declarations of "I am a very religious person" nod their heads in tremendous approval, approval that the sheepish "religious" child desperately wants.

Oddly enough, the pride and ego-boosting that come along with such declarations are signs of irreligiousness, of insecurity and a definite separation from "God." By saying that you are religious, you are in effect implying that there is something about yourself that is superior to the person who does not make such a claim. You are arrogantly setting yourself apart from other human beings simply because you can shamelessly obey the doctrine of institutions that have mindlessly and violently wreaked havoc upon this planet

A person in such a state never really knows what he or she is doing, unless it is the most basic of acts, like sleeping or going to the can. But when real, hard decisions come flying down the pike, these people cannot think for themselves and must go running to one of their authority figures, such as a priest or even a psychiatrist - who is the priest of his own religion - for the answers to their lives' dilemmas. This is to suppose that other people know who you are more than you do and can determine your life better than you can. Not knowing yourself and putting your life in the hands of others, whether a terrestrial father or the Great Daddy in the Sky, is most definitely not a religious experience by any enlightened definition.

[syzygy]

whether or not this person is you, u'r not thinking for urself, u'r just mindlessly saying the same thing over and over again, whether it makes sense or not. i doubt u can put any of this in layman's terms, since ur posts r word-for-word from that site.

i also noticed this for a second time: "partaking from Baptism, Communion, Confirmation." is this supposed to mean that u were once a Christian? sounds more like Catholicism, to me.

and saying that i don't think for myself is false. if i didn't think for myself, i'd be just like u, saying the same mindless babble repetitively. i'd be quoting parts of the Bible taken out of context, making little sense but sounding really smart. in the least, i'd be telling u how wrong u r and how my beliefs r so much better and more thought out than ur's, because i want to earn people's respect and lead them against u.

face it, this discussion is getting nowhere. u'r the one trying to convince us of ur beliefs. u'r the one pinning the stupidity on us. u'r the one acting like u've learned all u can about Christianity and have decided to neglect those beliefs. u haven't learned half of it, nor have u experienced any of it. in essence, u speak with an open mind, while the few of us speak with our open hearts. the battle is not about how much we know, or think we know, or even how smart we sound when expressing it; in that case, u'd win. if u want to go through ur life not believing in an omnicient being, that's fine with us; but the second u disrespect our faith and deny its truth is when the tables turn.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I'll go ahead and bet my life savings that they're not his words.

[Sleepy Weasel]

Apt is stupid, that's really my only comment on the issue.

[Bioture]

pallies redeem this thread from the seriousness

btw apt's real name is paul henriquez or some shit, so i guess he didnt write that.

[syzygy]

so much for thinking for oneself...

[abrasion]

LOLOLOL

I believe in the fuCKing MATRIX whores!!
"God" has gotta be one helluva programmer.

LOL. Apt speaks the truth, but he was just lazy and didnt bother to type all that. Instead, hes taking a shortcut by finding someone else whos already done so, but is handing out the same belief. In my opinion, its like a TV remote control. Why get up when u can use the remote? makes sense. So why type up a point when someone's already done it for you? Makes sense again.

I AM GOD.

[Verthanthi]

Those who think for themselves rarely reuse other people's arguments.

[syzygy]

makes just as much sense when someone hits others on the qualities (or lack thereof) he/she characterizes. good show of logic, don't u agree?

[abrasion]

Originally posted by syzygy
makes just as much sense when someone hits others on the qualities (or lack thereof) he/she characterizes. good show of logic, don't u agree?

[syzygy]

amazing! u can state the obvious..

[Bioture]

Originally posted by abrasion

LOL. Apt speaks the truth, but he was just lazy and didnt bother to type all that. Instead, hes taking a shortcut by finding someone else whos already done so, but is handing out the same belief.

Its called plagarism.