State of Pub

[Poseidon]

well then ill just say: im glad rab isnt running things!

[Rab]

and the ball powerup shouldnt exist
and super should not be buyable
and shield should not be buyable

[Poseidon]

i agree in spirit with ur first proposition, but im not opposed to levis remaining for use in a less gratuitous and overbearing fashion, which is why im proposing the vote system with a readjusted store/economy.

small weasel is fine and while trying to make the game as competitive as possible i think its important maintain a certain “pub” feel and to include as much of the gimmicky stuff as u can without it feeling too intrusive to the overall flow of the game (currently a disaster).

the problem with weasel is it can ninja the flag in a way that is more of a nuisance than should be allowed for. my suggestion - and something i feel could be good for the overall game - is to increase the amount of time it takes for a flag capture ... try between 10-15s.

[Rab]

and purepub should be permanent
and weasels should be normal sized

[Poseidon]

unfortunately the numbers dont support your position, at least during the peak hours of pub - which is prob past ur bedtime(as well as freespirits). for anyone who is paying the slightest bit of attention during these times there is an obvious trend that attachmode usually causes a large spike in playercount, and when it ends, unless rebought, there is generally a decrease in population - not always, sometimes the game can sustain itself, but i dare say this is the exception, not the rule.

its not hard to understand why. its qute rare that there is a balance of the number/skill of sharks/terrs, which means one teams terr is usually going to be dying a lot more. thus not only is the game less balanced but its often movng at 1/3 the pace and stuck in cram phase. most people find this much less enjoyable, as one would expect. attachmode alleviates these problems, allowing for more fast-paced, fluid gameplay. compound this with the nuisance of levis and TKs also feeling softened thru the action of attachmode...

it becomes quite clear why any cursory glance at general population trends vs. the two game types reveals a huge favor in the preference of attachmode. dont get me wrong, i actually prefer a good game of pub with no attachmode, good terrs, balanced sharks, etc. .. unfortunately, without some major reworking of pub, this will remain largely a fantasty, and to try continue to try and chase is it to continue to gimp pub from what it could be.

the simple solution to this is to allow players to vote on gametype after every couple games end or every 30 min or some block of time. ATTACHMODE: yes/no; PUREPUB: yes/no. $$$ can be spent on xtra vote or exemptions or etc., i have a growing list of things ... but not entire gametype. ill go in more detail in my big post. im using this thread to try to get an understanding of peoples various perspectives on the issue, so i appreciate the feedback.

[Rab]

if u ban freespirit u don't need attach mode because other terrs actually stay in base.
if I'm terring and someone buys attach mode, it makes my role redundant, usually just log off.
the gameplay of having to pgup/dn all the time to try and attach to whoever is alive, and ending up attaching to someone in spawn when wrong, is not fun gameplay.
tl/dr. attach mode is shit and should be removed. and freespirit should be banned.

[Poseidon]

im going to make a big post about a complete overhaul of pub. first id like to get a sense of where staff feels like they are with pub right now. i genuinely don't know how the people who make the decisions feel in this regard, and im curious. for me, its a total disaster. just now i was playing a 12v12 pub game and attachmode ends in the middle of a game that's been going for 20 minutes. it absolutely fuks the game which then immediately ends, and 5 minutes later pub is 3v3. these are the actual numbers. in the 100s of hours ive played pub the past year, this type of scenario happens THE MAJORITY OF THE FUCKING TIME attachmode ends, and i absolutely refuse to believe this is the best way to run pub.

are there not huge glaring obvious problems to other people, ones that seem easily fixed? i understand the staff is stretched then, but lets deal with that as a separate issue; it seems there is a further philosophical divide here, and i am trying to understand it.