State of Pub

[Pineapple Express]

Lower time limit while in safe. It's unnecessarily long. For levs who want to wait out purepub, ok... but afk terrs in safe can screw up everything. People hunting Best the other day (myself included) had like 10 people hunting him, while on pub freqs. Which makes the teams actually flagging unfair. Then in the long run, players get bored and log off.

Since I'm here already, TWBD also kills pub and the overall population of the game. Make the borrow limit more strict. Less number of borrows. It uses a lot of the online players. Takes forever to set up with all the borrows, THEN setting ships... It's like 10 mins before the match starts and the overall game time... It takes forever! If you guys haven't seen the correlation between constant BD's in a day and the activity in the rest of the game, you should.

Also, an anyship Elim should be a thing. Lol

/rant

[HellzNo!]

attachmode should be permanent

[Roger Rabbit]

Can we implement the !votemute feature for this forum because we have a couple of raging faggots in here

[Lizzo]

https://forums.trenchwars.com/main/1352383-consensual-love

[rothe]

Ok cool so you do have a goal in mind your actively recruiting people to piss others off and having another guard you while you use your what you call play style to ruin others experience till they leave the game. Alright. Beautiful community.

[Lizzo]

Hidey holes? Some ships / play styles are better in enclosed spaces when walls blocking shots or being used for proximity"

Base is hard, and it is harder if there are more than 2 team vying for it and players with novel styles. The harder it is, the more rewarding it is when you win. And some one can't win then maybe they need to get better or recruit a team that can. That is what is going to make the game grow. You either hold on to the dying roster of vets or you piss them off enough to where they actually learn how to win in a different environment. Maybe instead of 2 pub teams, there should be a size limit of 5 players.

Funny how a thread with some potential substance on real Suggestions and controllable complaints get hijacked by the anti Lev/anti diversity crew. so I will do my best to extra hijack it since I am a loud, proud, bbbw. To save some space, here is the summary of the complainy argument:

"We like to sit at one side of the base and fire against wbs, spid, lancaster at other side of base while I have my terr to safely attach to. we will keep doing this until players on the other team go to sleep and we win"

"We will stand up against any ship or player style that disrupts this balance that we have all known over decades"

How is this not racist? Conscious and unconscious bias against blue ships. And blatant "no levs allowed" purepub. No PP, we need NP. When is the last time you had a real conversation with a non-token blue ship?

All you ships look the same to me. I can't wait until free spirit runs out of batteries and I get all his $$$s. I am going to have a 3 year perpetual CCCANCEL.

[rothe]

Lizzo i'm honestly tired of this are you talking to everyone in general or me because I was talking directly to you. I don't spider much. Sometimes but rarely. Your comment. " These people are resigned to skill level being defined by how good aim is in a WB." Is extremely telling considering you require WB's to protect you at all times when your in a levi on a priv freq vulching off the main freq killing the spiders as you clearly put it because if you play on the main freq you get too many tk's.
Then next instantly you default to race baiting.
This is the community you want to foster? Your clearly doing nothing but sowing division. I'm all for revision and trying new tactics i'm coming up on almost 25 years of playing this game. All on the same handle for all these years. I have seen some shit lol
All I ask of any game I play is that there be some type of goal everyone work towards and in this game towards as a team effort and that requires a multitude of ships. Yes a few very good players can cap flag in just 1 ship type but enter a Shark or Spider and it makes capping with a WB or Terr instantly much harder. That's the whole fun of the game.
In seconds the entire dynamic of the landscape that is base shifts because one player in one ship can change the speed and dynamic of the play.
That said.
Lets talk about energy levels of ships and how that plays into game play. Size of the top base. Mid base and lower base and how throwing bombs effects gameplay in these areas.
When you have people hiding in hidey holes just lobing bombs for hours on end and no one is hunting them or even stopping them and its draining everyone's energy levels mid base and lower base who wants to bother trying to take upper base when they know the second they enter mid base they will just get bombed to death by levis in hidey holes from corners of the base they will warp out of the second you try to go and "correct" that bs?
There has to be some kind of balance to close up those holes.
I get it they help weasels get around the map much faster but that idea has been warped not many people play the weasel anymore. Though tbh its a fun ship it teaches people how to pay attention to their radar. How to go into settings and play with them to get the right feeling for the game for each person it can be a gate way to learning the in's and out's of the game for new people get killed by a weasel hey I want o learn how to make my radar bigger and add a grid to my radar.. All thats in the settings ask a ZH for help.. I used to walk people through this..
Back on topic.
Asking older players to leave a game because you want to play it differently than it has been played for years and you want to bring in friends to back you up hey more power to you. That said if you accomplish your goal two things I want to say. If you get old timers to leave. I hope you can replace them with new players that are going to stick around as long as the old timers you pissed off and who had stuck with the game for years.. To adapt to your personal game style.
I don't have many friends here I play because this game after all these years is still fresh and fun. Yall are hella fun to chat with at times and always a good time just reading the random shit said in chat lol and hell those spinny spinny shots i make always put a smile on my face.. It isnt always about getting the shot its about style
Ok holey shit that was a long rant.. Time for me to stfu for a while...

[Lizzo]

I would rather be on pub freq. cause I want to win... for the $$$s. I only go priv freq because I have been warned about TKs. Thats why NP should be the norm, like what ive been saying. It is usually because some one like dogecoin intentionally getting TK'd, etc. and staff still aint banned him for some reason. every so often it happens because the freq I am on is 90% sharks (and 1 or two pew pew ships sitting in the center base hole), basically suiciding, so they gonna die to TKs cause glass jaw. Anyway, evryone gonna complain about different game styles and what they find fun. guess what, people just happen to be having fun when they are winning, and when they don't they go to the forum to complain and figure out which staff private parts to suck to make it to where they can win. These people are resigned to skill level being defined by how good aim is in a WB. the difference between you racists and me is I have fun regardless. I am only looking to pleasure willing staff when I am not allowed cause I get banned for some bs.

[Poseidon]

yes i hear you; this one is a little too busy.

its worth metioning however that aside from me rambling about terr, every aspect of it is tied in together...

at any rate ill draft something better and make a new thread and see where it goes from there

[qan]

Brevity: copy and pasted directly from the email i sent you and other upper staff a few months ago.
im going to really the idea of brevity to heart and simply leave this copy and paste as is. if you require a tad more neat, concise, and official seeming proposal ill do it when im not feeling as overtaxed; this feels sufficient, and should take even a deeply engaged reader no more than 2-3 minutes to read.

But it's also a list of comprehensive changes that will be very difficult to get a large group of people to agree to. Stick to single issues, namely the proposition at the top. Work on the rest slowly. I have seen probably more than 100 proposals of this kind over the years, and they are almost always doomed to failure by their architects because they aren't focused enough and can't get anyone to agree to follow their plan as a result. Once you do tighten up your proposal to a very focused change, consider posting it in a new thread. Then gather support from others. We're still trying to sort out a more democratic way to get changes through (again, heh), but we do have to set a bar to justify the time investment for setting up a poll and asking people to consider it. Development time is another consideration, though usually not a blocking issue if there's enough support.

[Poseidon]

and setting my vitriolic nature aside for a moment i feel i should say i really do appreciate how open you are to proposed changes such as these, qan. feels a degree less stressful trying to feel heard by you than ive experienced in certain situations in the past, given i can get you to pay attention!

[rothe]

See lizzo this is strange to me I never see you in pub playing alone normally you have 2-3 people protecting you on a priv freq vulching off the main freq's. Lets talk a moment about your gameplay. When you do enter base mid base or base you have people protecting you and you only they add nothing to protecting the flag they spend all their time guarding you which ruins any type of teamwork. Its funny as hell to watch but also ruins any type of base game.
Its strange lets talk a moment about reality when I enter the arena normally the team disparity grows till the teams are going on normally something like 8v2 and people just quit entering base and there are so many people in base and no one even tries to go in base anymore lmao while one team just sits in base and the other rambos off around the map acting like they don't know wtf is going on lol.
For some strange reason this is allowed to play out over and over almost every time I log in lol and this is just accepted as normal gameplay? Oh but pub isnt supposed to be competitive. What is pub supposed to be then?
A place for newbies to get spammed to death by ships they dont understand by older players they have no clue how to kill? Ohhhh right.. We should just tell new people ur ez and gut better.. lol... Yea much better way to "up the population"
I'm sure the steam reviews would love a ship like the levi constantly dropping bombs on them before they even got in base lol..
But going back to base
Lets just talk about the real problem. We are all some real pettay mother fuckers.. Cant we drop the shit and just play as team players once we hit pub is it just me but i forget half of you mostly cuz i hit my head so much secondly i when i join i join to just shoot at fkin space ships ffs and sometimes go and cap the flag. It honestly feels like some of you gets your shits and giggles out of trolling a 20+ year old game lmao and you honestly expect the community to grow?
When your asking vets to leave? Why after all these decades of play now we need the old players who have stuck with the game gone through the shit to leave to make way for... Wait what are the older players supposed to leave to make way for...? Shitter play styles? Right that makes sense..
If it makes sense logically I get it. If you don't need a bunch of people to guard you to even play the game I get it. If you don't need to use pubux to play the game I get that argument. All of those arguments are solid to the gameplay that has worked for decades.
Lobbing bombs while needing to be protected at all times and feeding of the base constantly in one ship and asking everyone else to adapt to your playstyle or leave nah..
I don't get that.

[Poseidon]

Brevity: copy and pasted directly from the email i sent you and other upper staff a few months ago.

THE PROPOSITION:
Pub votes on gamemode every 20 minutes or after the last game ends if past 20.
ATTACHMODE: yes/no; PUREPUB: yes/no

- Levis are warped to safe
- Terrs get an extra port to make them stronger (burst is already OP ie. too easy to green [reduce it a few %!], but ppl might complain if terr isnt buffed). (The idea of giving them one rep is interesting also). This is fine as a permanent change attachmode or no. This particular discrepancy between TWL and pub is fine.
- In Attachmode, the time needed to win decreases faster. It starts at 2:30, regardless of population, and every 2.5 minutes decreases by 15 seconds until after 20 minutes it freezes at 30 seconds. This is important to help stop the game from dragging as it so often does, this is one of the main complaints leveraged against attachmode and its entirely avoidable.
- ideas for !buy as follows:
!buy vote $50k - allows for one extra vote and may only be used once per vote
!buy exempt $250k - player may use levi regardless of game mode for 20 minutes.
!buy banpriv $100k - no players of private freqs allowed in flag room for 3 minutes (this might be the only option to actually end a game at times when people decide to flag on private freqs and the game becomes unwinnable for all)
!buy override (1/2/3/4) 500k - the player overrides any vote and after the game ends/before start of next game, it becomes one of the 4 game modes of their choice for the next 20 min block. only usable once a day - im aware people could abuse by sending $$ to alias but whatev.

im going to really the idea of brevity to heart and simply leave this copy and paste as is. if you require a tad more neat, concise, and official seeming proposal ill do it when im not feeling as overtaxed; this feels sufficient, and should take even a deeply engaged reader no more than 2-3 minutes to read.

[Lizzo]

Funny how the low IQ suicide spiders who pew pew constantly and leave themselves at zero power gotta always complain about levs. Of course u gonna die! Get some creativity like Kanye . People just don't know how to handle a bbbw. Can't evolve so gotta complain. "You're killing my safe place cause I can't kill u" When levs are here pub pop way up. 9 out of 10 pure pub kills pub. Want proof? Look at failed pp weekend where attendance was 50%. Still not sure game has recovered yet. We don't want PP, we want NP. Same people that were butt hurt before now vocalizing their hate for levs, etc before they leave. Everyone knows that BS. They were already planning to log off to go masturbate in their parents basement and just tryin to cause mess. Want to increase the pop? Ban purepub. Well worth the expense of the "vets" who can't evolve enough to kill levs.

[rothe]

How to fix pub:
1. Remove levis YES
2. Make weasel big NO
3. Remove attachmode NO
4. Remove ball powerup DONT CARE
5. Ban freespirit NO
6. Get some staff in eu timezone I GUESS
7. Remove super DONT CARE
8. Remove thor DONT CARE
9. Remove shield DONT CARE
10. Fix afkcheck YES
11. Make people who arent basing get off freq 0 and 1 YES, WHY DIDNT THIS HAPPEN YEARS AGO
12. Make roofturret duration and rebuy duration equal NOT ONLY YES BUT MAKE ROOF TURRET AUTO ACTIVATE IF MORE THAN 5 PEOPLE ARE ON ROOF

If not clear qan this is my 2nd to rab's proposal. Unless he needs to make one even longer lol.
With a few caveats of my own.