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[Bluff]

Also, holding up universal healthcare of the Nixon administration to mentally depraved legislation of today is like comparing apples to nazi oranges. The GOP Intellectually lazy? Any McDonald’s worker begging for $15 an hour and a half day off is a lazy ass Democrat wanting their overlords to take care of their entitled ass. Intellectually lazy is accepting every psychotic group of added constituents to your list of votes to suck off of society’s cock. That’s lazy.

The GOP doesn’t stand for anything. Okay:

Defense of Country: 80% of American military might is composed of a bunch of dumb rednecks, as you’d call them. Thank god it’s not a slew of soft pussy protesters.

Preservation of Constitutional Values: a damn near perfect document that aims to uphold checks and balances of government. Not inflate governmental overreach.

Censorship: people should be able to say whatever they want here, free from legal action (a few exceptions apply). Hell, CNN can go and lie to a gigantic loyal following on a daily basis with no repercussions. Why not everyone else?

Small government: I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would want big government, unless they are truly intellectually lazy.

Free enterprise: most Democrats agree with this but there are a growing number of idiot neoliberals who think government owning production is a great idea. Baffling.

Religious freedom: deal with it. I don’t have to bake a cake for a fucking gay couple or storybooks read to my children by a transsexual moose.

Secular Freedom: let people do what they want (within the parameters of rational behavior, like don’t legalize all the drugs out there). It’s America.

Healthcare reform: the healthcare/insurance system is incredibly flawed and needs a complete overhaul. But not free shit given out like stickers to a kindergartener.

Right to Defense: since you like history, you’d know that even an incremental decrease in a very important right such as gun ownership would eventually lead to banning them altogether. Pretty sure the founders knew that and why it’s included.

Personal Freedom: yep it’s cliche. But as an example of an encroachment on this is the ever increasing necessity of a vaccination certificate. Seriously? I personally don’t think vaccines are bad, but attempting to force people to is batshit insane.

Taxation: taxes are too god damn high which suppresses personal advancement opportunities into wealth. On that note, wealth is a good thing to have the opportunity to have.

Work for it. Much of who the Democratic Party speaks to are the people who use the system and want it to take care of them. I have ahhhh ZEEERO respect for those peeps. Zero. Work for it.

I have a laundry list. Could go on. But don’t say it stands for nothing just because you don’t like it.

[Bluff]

At some point, those who don't know their history should just stop talking and listen instead.

Skipping ahead to this because it proves the point I was fixing to make. This is what it sounds like when people have disappeared so far up their own assholes that you think everyone needs to listen to you because this profound assumption that you are correct and everyone else is wrong. Also, who the hell said all Nazis werent bad? They are what hard left democrats would be today, spinning discontent for the sake of committing genocide, literally or economically. They were all bad lol. And you are quoting sources from people that are all basically CNN, who openly admit to being horseshit news and propaganda.

What do you want me to say? That I worship Trump, or Gaetz, etc? Of course not. Or that the republican party isnt well equipped with its own shortcomings? Of course they are. But lets be real for a second: do the ends of the democratic agenda justify the means? I say hell no.

[MHz]

If the two-party system must remain (which it should not), it should honestly be the Moderate Dems vs the Left. The overton window needs to shift back ...

Hai guys, Exalt here. All political discussion should fall neatly between two lines that I have deemed accepted. The whole world should revolve around my own emotional hunches and biases. The overton window needs to be just wide enough for an average panel of guests on MSNBC, but not anything further - that would be LiTeraLLy fAsCisM/rUssIan coLLusiOn.

[ronaldinho]

You are silly and I am smart.

-Exalt

[qan]

I'm quite aware of Trump's flaws. They're plentiful. As are those of most humans, and most presidents and heads of state generally. To put it plainly, everyone who's ever believed in another human being to save them has been mistaken, and has been set up for a painful but useful lesson. (We save ourselves.)

This is not a "both sides" issue. It's "neither side." I'm against all of you. As long as you are the plural "you". After that, well, we're the same.

[Exalt]

I agree that labeling (and shaming) people for particular political beliefs isn't constructive. Much of that has been deliberate and extremely lazy straw-manning, such as: "If you voted for Trump, you're unequivocally a racist, and you're no longer a real human being." It's not a particularly proud moment in history for Americans. These sorts of behaviors only shut down discourse, making it impossible for people to have a reasonable discussion; the first and last word is, "You're evil because you're X." We see this from both "sides," unfortunately. It's a continual chain reaction. This is Nietzschean "slave morality" but this time in both directions, where values are not formed by themselves but in reaction to the insidious Other. People are "not X" rather than actually being "Y," to the point where X and Y -- or left and right, if you prefer -- lose all meaning in an ideological hall of mirrors.

The solution is to step away from the untruths of sides, labels, -isms and -ists, and to approach each person as the individual they are.

iF yOu VoTeD fOr HiTlEr It DoEsNt MaKe YoU a NaZi Or A gEnOcIdAl RaCiSt. SoMe NaZiS wErE gOoD pEoPlE tOo AnD tHeY oNlY mAsS mUrDeReD aFtEr OtHeR pEoPlE bUlLiEd ThEm

Just stop already. This both sides shit has aged like milk. I honestly think that anyone who is so completely unaware of the major issues with the GOP and Trump at this point in time shows they don't have the mental capacity to have an honest discourse about politics, and they should simply stop voting entirely until they become more informed. Let the adults in the room handle big brain things like not voting in wannabe dictators, corrupt yes men, compromised russian agents, and known pedophiles.

https://apnews.com/article/rudy-giul...d402d64a982185

https://www.insider.com/qanon-defend...-report-2021-3

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...b-spy-new-book

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/25/u...publicans.html


At this point in history, it's also time for the GOP to die. It's overstayed it's welcome and has frankly lost all respectability. There's really nothing left of it to keep, and the Republican party dissolving would be just one of a long line of political parties going away in America. It's time for this one to end when it has no political platform and stands for nothing. They literally did not run a single issue in the RNC during the 2020 election. Trump had literally no platform at all. Nothing. There's nothing left of a political party when the only thing it can claim is that it isn't a Democrat. There's no excuse left for it to even exist at this stage. That isn't a political belief. It isn't a belief in anything at all. Anyone that claims they are a Republican at this stage in history is basically only doing it because they are intellectually lazy and want to feel 'special' and 'controversial' when they are anything but.

If the two-party system must remain (which it should not), it should honestly be the Moderate Dems vs the Left. The overton window needs to shift back to where it was in the 1940s-1960s, when most of these Trump-lovers would have actually claimed America was great in the first place (what other time were they wanting to make America great again?). Take a look at the Republican Candidate Thomas Dewey's political stances in 1948 when he faced Democrat Harry Truman and compare them to literally anyone today. Republicans in the modern era would call him a raging socialist. Hell, take a look at Nixon's platform. Nixon tried to get universal healthcare to happen in America. Isn't that socialism to these people?

At some point, those who don't know their history should just stop talking and listen instead.

[qan]

There are sides, and also illusion of power behind them. 4 years ago I had absolutely no issue with any of my friends believing in what are now considered liberal ideologies. Personally, I lean conservative, but not heavily. It didn’t change anything between us until those same people - friends and family - began to tag me as a racist, elitist, fill in the blank... none of those things are true and they should know it. I forgave them, but something awoken stupidity in people that is actually changing your environment as a whole for worse. Cancel culture, educational indoctrination, entertainment industry... there was a time when decent people could be moderate, because that’s the way America was supposed to be.

You can believe in whatever, I don’t really care. I’ll have a conversation with you about anything like normal human beings. But to be a proponent of silencing an entire half of the country means you aren’t American.

I agree that labeling (and shaming) people for particular political beliefs isn't constructive. Much of that has been deliberate and extremely lazy straw-manning, such as: "If you voted for Trump, you're unequivocally a racist, and you're no longer a real human being." It's not a particularly proud moment in history for Americans. These sorts of behaviors only shut down discourse, making it impossible for people to have a reasonable discussion; the first and last word is, "You're evil because you're X." We see this from both "sides," unfortunately. It's a continual chain reaction. This is Nietzschean "slave morality" but this time in both directions, where values are not formed by themselves but in reaction to the insidious Other. People are "not X" rather than actually being "Y," to the point where X and Y -- or left and right, if you prefer -- lose all meaning in an ideological hall of mirrors.

The solution is to step away from the untruths of sides, labels, -isms and -ists, and to approach each person as the individual they are.

[Exalt]

Cancel culture, educational indoctrination, entertainment industry... there was a time when decent people could be moderate, because that’s the way America was supposed to be.

This are some of the most weaksauce excuses ever invented to subscribe to a political ideology. The truth of the matter is that the Right in America has no platform or ideology whatsoever. You are all obsessed with 'cancel culture' and other stupid online shit. The Right is full of QAnon weirdos on facebook looking for pedos on the left while ironically worshipping politicians who were the real ones the entire time, such as Matt Gaetz. The Right is also full of weirdos with neckbears and fetal alcohol syndrome who stormed the Capitol during a joint session of congress and wondering why they are now in prison. It's just a bunch of fucking retarded morons with no critical thinking skills, and what ends up happening is that regardless of whether YOU personally are a racist or a pedo or whatever it may be, you associate and identify with those people and those political leanings, making you essentially just another 'not all nazi's are bad people' stereotype. Yeah, they are all bad fucking people, because even the ignorant ones were ignorant by choice. Educate yourself if you aren't one of the above-mentioned morons who are incapable of it, and you'd soon realize that your political beliefs don't align with common sense.

As for education 'indoctrination' (aka you are uneducated and don't like that others are smarter than you), the least educated voters in America tend to lean conservative. That's just a statistical fact. The more educated a person is in america, the more they lean left, because the right has shown it is not a viable political stance anymore. Beyond that, anyone that has ever traveled outside of their trailer park and lived abroad would know that America is as far-right ideologically as they come, in such an extreme way that the 'left' is MODERATE politically in the vast majority of developed nations. Absolutely nothing brought up by any politician in america, not even Bernie Sanders or anyone in 'The Squad' is even close to radical in a world-wide spectrum, making it laughable that rightists such as yourself claim you are moderate. You are not in reality.

The other issue is that the vast majority of people on the right are single-issue voters with no common sense. They vote because 'abortion bad' or whatever, and literally nothing else matters to them, because they don't know how to use their brains. The fact that studies have been done worldwide on the issue and have shown that banning abortion actually fails to stop it, while making abortion legal and instead funding viable alternatives such as making it easier/more affordable to have kids or adopt dramatically lowers abortion rates. RIghtists don't actually care about that, because like I previously stated, they're fucking morons with no common sense. It's ridiculous that these people call themselves pro-lifers when in reality, they couldn't give a single fuck about a baby once it's born. Taking care of mothers and their children after they're born financially to stop abortion rates would be considered 'welfare' or something that some socialist commie came up with to steal your hard-earned tax dollars. The Govment aint supposed to spend your tax dollars on it's own citizens welfare, dont ya know Cletus? It got to spend that money on bombin' some A-Rabs for oil, yeehaw.

So when you really get down to it, what do rightists in america even believe in beyond wannabe strongmen political figures? Economics? Yeah, that doesn't work. Anyone that's taken even a basic freshmen-level Econ 101 class at their local community college immediately learns that the trickle-down economics of the 'fiscal-conservatives' was a scam. Economics obviously isn't taught to 8th grade though, so I suppose most rightists don't have the education to understand that. What else do they believe in? Freedom? Freedom to do what exactly? They want to ban everything they can, including the right to vote for black people in places like Georgia. That's not freedom. That's just racism. So are they going to just admit they're racists, or is there some other secret ideological part of the Right that nobody else seems to understand?

There's literally nothing that conservatives bring to the table in America that is actually positive for the country, and none of their actions against things such as Abortion statistically work out, making the entire platform full of absolutely nothing except small-dick energy. I'd also argue that any 'Christian' who claims themselves to be a rightist is actually not following what Jesus taught whatsoever, so that's a no go as well. It usually helps if those people would open a bible and try reading it for once, but I guess that's educational indoctrination as well, and rightists are against that kind of thing.

[Bluff]

I don't give a fuck about agreeing, I don't care what u think, I don't want to hear about it every time I play.

Likewise little buddy

[Bluff]

The "sides" narrative is an illusion created to control the limits of human thought. Currently it just poorly represents the cultural left/right paradigm, which is a mostly meaningless metric around which to establish an entire political philosophy. (See the impotence of the internet Culture Wars for reference.) Both "sides" are economically "right"-wing/neoliberal. Both "sides" are somewhat authoritarian as opposed to libertarian, with different beliefs about what should be restricted. (To take the US example, "left" is libertarian on abortion, marriage rights, drug legalization, ...; "right" is libertarian on gun control, and currently freedom of speech, a flip from that being a "left" libertarian issue only 20-30 years ago, ...)

Anyone who thinks they're on a "side" is honestly a bit of a rube, with limited political consciousness, self-awareness or understanding of history.

There are sides, and also illusion of power behind them. 4 years ago I had absolutely no issue with any of my friends believing in what are now considered liberal ideologies. Personally, I lean conservative, but not heavily. It didn’t change anything between us until those same people - friends and family - began to tag me as a racist, elitist, fill in the blank... none of those things are true and they should know it. I forgave them, but something awoken stupidity in people that is actually changing your environment as a whole for worse. Cancel culture, educational indoctrination, entertainment industry... there was a time when decent people could be moderate, because that’s the way America was supposed to be.

You can believe in whatever, I don’t really care. I’ll have a conversation with you about anything like normal human beings. But to be a proponent of silencing an entire half of the country means you aren’t American.

[Lizzo]

You all look the same to me so I am on the side of whoever gives me the most $$$s. You don't have to like me or even respect me. Idgaf. Just give equal rights, stop the hate, and keep the love juice flowing

[qan]

The truth is that the other side of the aisle doesn't care, and neither do we. You see how Rab is acting? If it was happening to him, I wouldn't care either. This is war lol, there is no uniting at this point. Just face it. We want one side to agree with us and vice versa. Will never happen now.

The "sides" narrative is an illusion created to control the limits of human thought. Currently it just poorly represents the cultural left/right paradigm, which is a mostly meaningless metric around which to establish an entire political philosophy. (See the impotence of the internet Culture Wars for reference.) Both "sides" are economically "right"-wing/neoliberal. Both "sides" are somewhat authoritarian as opposed to libertarian, with different beliefs about what should be restricted. (To take the US example, "left" is libertarian on abortion, marriage rights, drug legalization, ...; "right" is libertarian on gun control, and currently freedom of speech, a flip from that being a "left" libertarian issue only 20-30 years ago, ...)

Anyone who thinks they're on a "side" is honestly a bit of a rube, with limited political consciousness, self-awareness or understanding of history.

[Rab]

I don't give a fuck about agreeing, I don't care what u think, I don't want to hear about it every time I play.

[Bluff]

The truth is that the other side of the aisle doesn't care, and neither do we. You see how Rab is acting? If it was happening to him, I wouldn't care either. This is war lol, there is no uniting at this point. Just face it. We want one side to agree with us and vice versa. Will never happen now.

[Sir BattyCrease]

nvm back up now. hope ur ok now, faggot