Racism,

[Troll King]

And some people call me TK instead of "Troll King". What's your point?

"Paki" is not racist just because it's a short form for something else folks. It's racist because it's often used in derogatory ways. The words themselves are harmless. It's the meanings behind the words that causes problems.

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Rodge Removed the image and i cant see it.....now im curious too

[Gemfire]

'azn' could be used in a derogatory way too, troll king. Paki can be a shortened version like cig used it as, just like azn can, but both can be used in a racist fashion. like cig said, he said 'hey paki' to that person, got warned, yet could say 'hey azn', and i bet most staffers wouldnt even give it a second thought.

[Troll King]

"Could be" is the key word there. The problem is that it isn't used in such a manner. Sure, you might say it's racist for someone to say "damn azns" and you'd be right. But it's not the "azn" on its own that's the problem but the "damn" in front of it. That's the same difference as you'd get between someone saying "hey look, there's Gemfire" and "hey look, there's that damn Gemfire". In this sense, ANYTHING can be used in a derogatory way. But just because it is a racial term, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a racist term.

The difference between "azn" and "paki" is how the words were formed and how they are used. They aren't the "same concept" at all. "Paki" was a derogatory term that others have created and used to insult a certain culture. "Azn" is a word that a culture created (with influence from the 'net) for itself and wasn't used in the same way as "paki". It's also different from black people taking control of the N-word and using it between themselves. In that case, it's still a derogatory term created by others to insult them. They just co-opted it and politicized it so they can use it on their own terms.

What people seem to have difficulty distinguishing here is the difference between a racial term and a racist term. There is plenty of overlap between them, but they are not complete equals. Take the word "Jew" for example. Some people seem to think that any use of the word is racist, and that's simply not the case. It can be used in a derogatory way, but not every instance of the word is.

[Paky Dude]

I agree with Cig Smoke. Im also Pakistani and I have my name as Paky because I don't mind people calling me that, but if they want to say hey paky go bomb another building, hey paky do that shit, I won't care because I know everyone in the world is somewhat ignorant. Lol I'll finish the conversation later, my dad is here to play pool.

[Cig Smoke]

"Could be" is the key word there. The problem is that it isn't used in such a manner. Sure, you might say it's racist for someone to say "damn azns" and you'd be right. But it's not the "azn" on its own that's the problem but the "damn" in front of it. That's the same difference as you'd get between someone saying "hey look, there's Gemfire" and "hey look, there's that damn Gemfire". In this sense, ANYTHING can be used in a derogatory way. But just because it is a racial term, that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a racist term.

The difference between "azn" and "paki" is how the words were formed and how they are used. They aren't the "same concept" at all. "Paki" was a derogatory term that others have created and used to insult a certain culture. "Azn" is a word that a culture created (with influence from the 'net) for itself and wasn't used in the same way as "paki". It's also different from black people taking control of the N-word and using it between themselves. In that case, it's still a derogatory term created by others to insult them. They just co-opted it and politicized it so they can use it on their own terms.

What people seem to have difficulty distinguishing here is the difference between a racial term and a racist term. There is plenty of overlap between them, but they are not complete equals. Take the word "Jew" for example. Some people seem to think that any use of the word is racist, and that's simply not the case. It can be used in a derogatory way, but not every instance of the word is.

We know this, well atleast i do. But what im trying to say is if u say "jew" at all in a public arena or baseeilm where "pubbots" are it will report u and u will get a warning regardless of what u were saying. THe bots are used as a "moderator" for racism in public arenas which is a good idea, but they shouldnt be relied on so heavily. They dont catch the whole conversation or the meanin behind the word like a person seeing the text would.

[Ephemeral]

Non-racist, politically correct Little Red Riding Hood

There once was a young person named Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood who lived on the edge of a large forest full of endangered animals, owls and rare plants that would probably provide a cure for cancer if only someone took the time to study them.

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood lived with a nurture giver whom she sometimes referred to as "mother", although she didn't mean to imply by this term that she would have thought less of the person if a close biological link did not in fact exist.

Nor did she intend to denigrate the equal value of nontraditional households, although she was sorry if this was the impression conveyed.

One day her mother asked her to take a basket of organically grown fruit and mineral water to her grandmother's house.

"But mother, won't this be stealing work from the unionized people who have struggled for years to earn the right to carry all packages between various people in the woods?"

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood mother assured her that she had called the union boss and gotten a special compassionate mission exemption form.

"But mother, aren't you oppressing me by ordering me to do this?"

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood mother pointed out that it was impossible for woman to oppress each other, since all woman were equally oppressed until all woman were free.

"But mother, then shouldn't you have my brother carry the basket, since he's an oppressor, and should learn what it's like to be oppressed?"

And Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood mother explained that her brother was attending a special rally for animal rights, and besides, this wasn't stereotypical woman's work, but an empowering deed that would help engender a feeling of community.

"But won't I be oppressing Grandma, by implying that she's sick and hence unable to independently further her own selfhood?"

But Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood mother explained that her grandmother wasn't actually sick or incapacitated or mentally handicapped in any way, although that was not to imply that any of these conditions were inferior to what some people called "health".

Thus Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood felt that she could get behind the idea of delivering the basket to her grandmother, and so she set off.
Many people believed that the forest was a foreboding and dangerous place, but Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood knew that this was an irrational fear based on cultural paradigms instilled by a patriarchal society that regarded the natural world as an exploitable resource, and hence believed that natural predators were in fact intolerable competitors.

Other people avoided the woods for fear of thieves and deviants, but Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood felt that in a truly classless society all marginalized peoples would be able to "come out" of the woods and be accepted as valid lifestyle role models.

On her way to Grandma's house, Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood passed a woodchopper, and wandered off the path, in order to examine some flowers.

She was startled to find herself standing before an endangered Wolf, who asked her what was in her basket.

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood teacher had warned her never to talk to strangers, but she was confident in taking control of her own budding sexuality, and chose to dialogue with the endangered Wolf.

She replied, "I am taking my Grandmother some healthful snacks in a gesture of solidarity."

The Wolf said, "You know, my dear, it isn't safe for a little girl to walk through these woods alone."

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood said, "I find your sexist remark offensive in the extreme, but I will ignore it because of your traditional status as an outcast from society, the stress of which has caused you to develop an alternative and yet entirely valid worldview. Now, if you'll excuse me, I would prefer to be on my way."
Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood returned to the main path, and proceeded towards her Grandmother's house.

But because his status outside society had freed him from slavish adherence to linear, Western-style thought, the endangered Wolf knew of a quicker route to Grandma's house.

He burst into the house and ate Grandma, a course of action affirmative of his nature as a predator.

Then, unhampered by rigid, traditionalist gender role notions, he put on Grandma's nightclothes, crawled under the bedclothes, and awaited developments.

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood entered the cottage and said, "Grandma, I have brought you some cruelty free snacks to salute you in your role of wise and nurturing matriarch."
The endangered Wolf said softly "Come closer, child, so that I might see you."

Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hoodsaid, "Goddess! Grandma, what big eyes you have!"

"You forget that I am optically challenged."

"And Grandma, what an enormous, what a fine nose you have."

"Naturally, I could have had it fixed to help my acting career, but I didn't give in to such societal pressures, my child."

"And Grandma, what very big, sharp teeth you have!"

The endangered Wolf could not take any more of these species slurs, and, in a reaction appropriate for his accustomed milieu, he leaped out of bed, grabbed Little Red Riding Hood, and opened his jaws so wide that she could see her poor Grandmother cowering in his belly.

"Aren't you forgetting something?" Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood bravely shouted. "You must request my permission before proceeding to a new level of intimacy!"

The Wolf was so startled by this statement that he loosened his grasp on her.

At the same time, the woodchopper burst into the cottage, brandishing an ax.

"Hands off!" cried the woodchopper.

"And what do you think you're doing?" cried Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood. "If I let you help me now, I would be expressing a lack of confidence in my own abilities, which would lead to poor self esteem and lower achievement scores on college entrance exams."

"Last chance, sister! Get your hands off that endangered species! This is an FBI sting!" screamed the woodchopper, and when Little Vertically Challenged Native American Riding Hood nonetheless made a sudden motion, he sliced off her head.

"Thank goodness you got here in time," said the endangered Wolf. "The brat and her grandmother lured me in here. I thought I was a goner."

"No, I think I'm the real victim, here," said the woodchopper. "I've been dealing with my anger ever since I saw her picking those protected flowers earlier. And now I'm going to have such a trauma. Do you have any aspirin?"

"Sure," said the endangered Wolf.
"Thanks."

"I feel your pain," said the endangered Wolf, and he patted the woodchopper on his firm, well padded back, gave a little belch, and said "Do you have any Maalox?"

[Voth]

Troll King is correct. The word "paki" itself is not derogatory, it's short for Pakastin in that context. Racism usually depends on the context, and saying: "hey paki", because the guys name is Pakastin, is not racist.

[Mulkero]

Pakastin is Finnish and it means freezer.

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heh i dunno if neone else read the whole thing but that was funny Ephermal....shows how our country cares way too much about being Politically Correct :up:

[Cig Smoke]

Eph: i didnt even take the time to read all of that lol Thats wa to long to read on a forum.

Voth: like i said above and others said. We know that its the context. The point im trying to make is that the Pubbots dont catch the context. They catch the WORD (paki example) and report u for it. Then u get warning/ban for it regardless of what u were saying, or how u were saying it.

[Ephemeral]

Eph: i didnt even take the time to read all of that lol Thats wa to long to read on a forum.

Cig,
Thanks for epitomizing exactly what is wrong with these forums, the people who use them, and today's society in general.

To all those people who can't read, are to lazy to manage to find their way through something longer than a 3 second 'sound bite', or can't use the scroll bar or page down key, please accept my apologies.

[Cig Smoke]

Its not that its just i dont care enough about this stupid topic to read it. If it was something important like the TWL rules then i'd read it, and those aer alot longer then urs was.

[Ephemeral]

Its not that its just i dont care enough about this stupid topic to read it. If it was something important like the TWL rules then i'd read it, and those aer alot longer then urs was.

Huh? You cared enough to post 14 times in this thread for a total of 841 words. My 'cut and paste' post was kind of long at 1100 words, but I would hardly call that 'a lot longer than yours'. (Although I bet it is true that most everything I have is a lot longer than yours ).
So to summarize, my 1100 word post has no misspellings, proper punctuation and grammar. You have 841 words in your posts with 88 misspellings, not counting punctuation and grammar.
Which posts are harder to read through? Guess I am missing your point.

[Rogue]

Huh? You cared enough to post 14 times in this thread for a total of 841 words. My 'cut and paste' post was kind of long at 1100 words, but I would hardly call that 'a lot longer than yours'. (Although I bet it is true that most everything I have is a lot longer than yours ).
So to summarize, my 1100 word post has no misspellings, proper punctuation and grammar. You have 841 words in your posts with 88 misspellings, not counting punctuation and grammar.
Which posts are harder to read through? Guess I am missing your point.

LOL, who counts the words and misspellings in a forum post?...I'm not siding with cig on this because I don't like either one of you but really...who does that? :down: