New Staff?

[Darkmoor]

From off to on, to keep things civilized :P.

Does it really matter if staff are basers or not as long as they do their job? A more diverse staff could perhaps be ideal but I see no reason to change it.

[Kolar]

that's not what i'm saying at all. i havent even mentioned any mods (because they're all inactive as hell it seems). in elim/baseelim/base ... ERs have the same power as mods. wasn't sure if you're aware of that kolar so well, now you are.this is a friendly forum? wtf? and most duelers dont bother with forums but doesn't mean they dont play the game just as much, or more than basers.

And hot rod, my topic here is not only about the competancy of most of the basing staffers to take the cheater calls, but also about equal opportunity for other people throughout the zone who dont like ?go base to join staff. i also never said that ALL basing staffers are bad picks... in fact, i dont think at any point i said that basing staffers was a bad thing... i just think it should be more 50/50

Awesome, I wouldn't try pulling a personal attack like that since I seem to know a hell of a lot more about this zone and how it functions then you do. SOME ERs have the same abilities like mods do, not all. It is not their job to moderate the elim arenas so again you're going after the wrong community and group of people in staff. I see your attacks pointless and incoherent, it's more like you want to add some more fuel to the fire with this idiotic idea that duelers are put out intentinally by the deans and so you can muster up more hatred for staff and the basers in this zone.


The way we both see this board and TW is probably different. It's how you decide to live within TW and considering your lack of courtesy for the general population at times and your crusade against the smaller communities like basers, it's no wonder why you would perceive this place to be very hostile and unproductive.

equal opportunity for other people throughout the zone who dont like ?go base to join staff

And I thought we got past that, it's like talking to a wall. Basing isn't a connectional path to getting on staff, basers might be more aware of it, be more involved in TW but there is no way I can see how it really helps with the current way staff finds and reviews potential players.

Infact you have indirectly or directly said they are bad picks for staff, by saying they do a poor job of moderating the dueling arenas and or that they dont play B/elim they CAN NOT do their job right. If you want more dueling staffers on staff then get them to follow the crap I posted before or else they'll get no where. You can not expect to sit on your ass for 5 years, doing nothing and have the deans hire you, no recomentadion, no involvement, no contribution, and no examples of your knowledge.

Just so I don't have to Repost:

I'm not bashing Awesome, we both have differences of opinion when it comes to staff and mostly everything in TW from the looks of it. Much like when dealing with situations in life, in TW, I drop the personal shit at the door. I'm not defending staff, their policies and the way the recruit because it's the easy way out in this forum or to ass kiss my way onto staff. I'm commending/defending a system that has reviwed and right out rejected me. So before you want to catogorize and judge me, know your facts. Also, I am a baser, have been since the beginning of private basing and for some of the earlier twlb seasons. I've worked on TW radio for the past 2 years, and it has not helped or hindered my ability to join staff. The only reason I was there was to help and record streams when it started and I am continuing to work on some projects like the null soft video thing. It was never a selfish act and it will never be something I use for personal gain.

[Dim]

I'll say it again, I don't see the problem. I know everyone on staff and I know everyone does their job properly. Even me. Regardless of whether they are basers or not. If a call comes in saying, help me play base. Immediately, the basers won't jump on the call. Every call should get answered and we endeavour to answer every single, solitary call. And the calls are answered by ZH's, not basers, not duelers, not pubbers. But ZH's we are all on the same team, I think this thread is more of a flamethrowing event, or an attempt to get back onto staff because you feel the reason you're not is because you're a dueler, not a baser. I may be wrong, I may be confused. But as Kolar and many others say, your arguements are incoherent.

<insert stfu, you're 14 you know nothing arguements because thats your easy way out>

[Galleleo]

I didnt read all of it, just first couple of posts, so this already may have been answered:

Orthodoxy is a she, not a he. I believe she also already has kids.

[Dim]

Awesome, are you arguing about:

a) We need a new dean of staff one that is a baser and a dueler.
b) ZH that are basers don't know what they're talking about.
c) Duelers know more than basers

Or something else I'm confused.

[Dameon Angell]

I didnt read all of it, just first couple of posts, so this already may have been answered:

Orthodoxy is a she, not a he. I believe she also already has kids.

I won't get into it, but yeah, she's older than whoever was trashing her, and yeah, she has children.

[Troll King]

Before we start to talk about proper representation for basers/duelers/pubbers/whatever, we have to look beyond just the numbers of people who play each particular style. What is even more important to look at is the distribution of ?help and ?cheater calls and hosting duties. Having 2 out of 3 of TW's leagues be dueling type games isn't as important as, for example, 2 out of every 3 calls asking for staff help regarding a dueling situation. It's all well and good to say that staff should reflect the style of play of the players in the zone, but it's much more important that they reflect the duties that are asked of them. I don't have the numbers to look at but perhaps some staff member could give us an estimate on how often certain situations come up.

Well, it's been a couple of days so this has been pushed back a couple of pages. Can anyone give us an idea of numbers here?

[Dim]

I don't have exact figures TK, but I'll do my best.

Most of our calls are simply to start ?go base and ?go wbduel, no special knowledge needed there.

To be honest with you, the amount of ?go base and ?go elim/baseelim questions are very sparse. There are not that many since most of the people who play there have reasonable experience.

We do get a lot of basic questions, which RoboHelp can help us with, so again you don't really need to be a baser or a dueler or anything, just for you to have fingers to operate a bot.

We do get a fair few calls from established players with questions such as: Do you know the site for...?, Do you know when .... starts? What ever happened to ....? And also a reasonable amount of questions about TWD which only really TWDOps can help with. (questions such as, can I switch nicks from x to y)

Again, ?help is frequently used to ask to host events. Although what I have written sounds like ZHs dont actually do anything, well they do. What I'm trying to say the nature of calls vary, but there are few duel/base questions that only people from certain areas can help with. Infact I'd say almost none. The majority of our calls come from pubbers asking general questions which are not specific to basing nor dueling. All is needed is experience of the game itself not of specific areas.

Sorry if I used a lot of the same words twice.

[Troll King]

From those estimates then the whole issue of baser vs dueler representation is near moot. The only thing Awesome is requesting is for more people with rather specific requirements, or specialists, if you will, but they would still represent only a small fraction of staff duties. Even then, it seems that a more pressing need would be for those who can handle more mundane TWD matters.

[PaulOakenfold]

Again, ?help is frequently used to ask to host events. Although what I have written sounds like ZHs dont actually do anything, well they do. What I'm trying to say the nature of calls vary, but there are few duel/base questions that only people from certain areas can help with. Infact I'd say almost none. The majority of our calls come from pubbers asking general questions which are not specific to basing nor dueling. All is needed is experience of the game itself not of specific areas.

I found this very true while I was staff, you did a good job explaining it. Perhaps Awesome found it different, but I'm a very open minded kind of guy, and from what I found was that the general attitude of calls revolved around, well... very general things. The hosted events were and have been very general things as well (if anything, there is a DECLINE of hosted basing events).

However the issue of whether Basers or Duelers are nicer people is pretty ridiculous. Are basers better staffers than duelers? I guess that's more opinion than anything, but I don't think the deans of staff should specifically target duelers to be staff just for the sake of "evening things out," neither do I think the deans should recruit basers simply because they base themselves. And you know what? I don't think they do either. If you're going to target Pure_Luck for hiring a majority of basers, then target Weaver, and target Yomama! as well. They all have the same mindset, to recruit INDIVIDUALS who will help the Trench Wars community best and most effeciently.

[Cops]

I assure you my brother does not smoke poll. :up:

[Cops]

that's not what i'm saying at all. i havent even mentioned any mods (because they're all inactive as hell it seems). in elim/baseelim/base ... ERs have the same power as mods. wasn't sure if you're aware of that kolar so well, now you are.this is a friendly forum? wtf? and most duelers dont bother with forums but doesn't mean they dont play the game just as much, or more than basers.

And hot rod, my topic here is not only about the competancy of most of the basing staffers to take the cheater calls, but also about equal opportunity for other people throughout the zone who dont like ?go base to join staff. i also never said that ALL basing staffers are bad picks... in fact, i dont think at any point i said that basing staffers was a bad thing... i just think it should be more 50/50

Awesome, shut the fuck up. You don't even know the duelers who you're fighting so vigorously for, how would you know the basers? You're sucking at trying to be a representative for the dueling community. You're losing your focus and composure and just winding up making personal attacks. Go back to the group of 50 guys who think one sided like you and give us someone better to explain your case.

[PUNK rock]

The Awesome bashing continues and troll king has summarized the whole arguement in about a paragraph. Will you shutup yet Awesome?

[Due]

You're sucking at trying to be a representative for the dueling community.

someone has to do it

[Blanke]

**sigh**