TW Player Ethics

[bloodzombie]

It's not honor ("honour" if you're a knight of the round table) to not shoot someone. That has nothing to do with it.

There was a time when I thought the exact same way as you, but then I relaxed and realized that spawning is just another aspect of the game. It doesn't happen very often if you're paying attention. Most people who cry about it are just frustrated because they coudln't dodge a shot that came 5 seconds after they appeared.

You're not going to stop spawning, so stop getting upset and just play the game that we have, not some game that you want it to be. It doesn't make any difference to me what you do, but trust me, it's just more fun that way. You can either get pissed, or just play the game and have fun.

I like fun.

[Foreign]

First of all, I agree with bz about spawning being part of the game, something to strategize around. In DD the team that owns the center of the map has free reign to use spawning as a benefit of the work they've done to get in that position.

Second, I personally rarely spawn, but I expect everyone else to. I just dodge. If someone spawns in front of me and shoots at me, then so be it, but I won't shoot first most of the time. I might dodge and then kill the person, but unless they've spawned me a couple times already that game then I don't really care that much.

Also, I don't think it's right to complain about spawning (I'm not saying you are, since you seem to be complaining more about the people's morals, which I agree with you on) when the other areas of your game aren't perfected. If spawning made up more than half of my deaths most of the time, then sure I might complain, but it is only a marginal issue and is even a controlled issue in DD. Just because I don't take advantage of it in a DD situation doesn't mean I'd think less of anyone else for using such a tactic.

/done

[geekbot]

So in war, if an enemy soldier doesn't see you, you wait for him to turn around and fill you with lead? Yeah. Shit, why didn't I think of that?

This is my point exactly- spawning is not unfair or unethical. Both pilots have the same threat of getting spawned. Sometimes you get caught with your pants down...sometimes he does.

But there are many cases when you are a soldier (in a real war) that you don't shoot someone:
* They are waving a white flag, have their hands raised or are otherwise giving themselves up
* They are medical personnnel
* They are civilians

At the very least, the Geneva Convention defines ethical treatment of caualties, prisoners of war, etc.

Wikipedia is cool, isn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_convention
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_war

[PH]

* They are waving a white flag, have their hands raised or are otherwise giving themselves up
* They are medical personnnel
* They are civilians

I agree with you on those points. However:

* There is no surrendering in Subspace.
* There are no medical personnel in Subspace.
* There are no civilians in Subspace.

The similarities end at the fact that it's one team versus another. The main glaring difference is that war is reality and Subspace is a game. A lot of players act as if showing a bit of humility and ethics would mean the end of their lives. I think it's going to stay that way for quite a while because trying to re-educate the players, particularly those who have been here for a long time, is all but impossible. I'd like to see it happen, but I just don't think it will.

[King Baba]

Didn't bother reading the whole trhead, jsut the first post. I got a better idea though, let's publish a TW Bible and put our own commandments in it. If anyone goes against this Bible then they automatically get to be a candidate for the next American Presidential Election.

[Epinephrine]

What's wrong with spawning? It's within the rules. If you don't spawn and you get spawned back then it's your own fault.

-Epi

[bloodzombie]

I agree with you on those points. However:

* There is no surrendering in Subspace.
* There are no medical personnel in Subspace.
* There are no civilians in Subspace.

The similarities end at the fact that it's one team versus another. The main glaring difference is that war is reality and Subspace is a game. A lot of players act as if showing a bit of humility and ethics would mean the end of their lives. I think it's going to stay that way for quite a while because trying to re-educate the players, particularly those who have been here for a long time, is all but impossible. I'd like to see it happen, but I just don't think it will.

You make a good argument against your case. there isn't surrendering, there isn't medical people, there are no civilians, it's just a game.. so shoot everyone.. it's called FUN.

[FuzzyWuzzyBear]

In the end, it would be nice if everybody followed the Golden Rule (TM), but life doesn't happen that way. When somebody spawns in front of you, the temptation and "heat of the moment" are just so overwhelming that for most people they instinctively shoot that fucker down. Maybe in a perfect world, things would be different, but not here.

I say we just accept it as an acceptable threat and to try to stay away from the spawn area if you don't want it to happen to you.

[Ezor]

You make a good argument against your case. there isn't surrendering, there isn't medical people, there are no civilians, it's just a game.. so shoot everyone.. it's called FUN.

I think he's just trying to see the issue from both sides, but what do I know.. the guy's a kook.

[Asmodeus]

You're all right, this is just a game. Tis why I'm trying to make it more enjoyable, by spreading an idealistic thought. Maybe...the more people who believe in it, the more likely it will happen.

[PH]

Yes, Ezor, I'm looking at the issue from both sides. Spawning is unethical, but 9 times out of 10 you have to do it to survive.

And Asmodeus, as a fellow idealist it's great to see someone do some logical thinking to try and make this game better, but I think you aimed a little too high. Just relax, ignore the spawners and have fun.

[geekbot]

!

Why is spawning unethical?!

Nevermind, I give up.


Waving the white flag.

[Asmodeus]

!

Why is spawning unethical?!

Nevermind, I give up.


Waving the white flag.

I guess I should have made the title "TW Players and Honor" or some bs. It's not so much spawning/laming being unethical but more so dishonorable and disrespectful. Tis why I bring up ethics and the honor system and the likes.

I guess some see spawning has dishornable/disrespectful/unethical...and some see it as something that's second hand nature in the world of SS.... I'm just trying to get those that do spawn to question their actions...hence the "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you."

I hope I'm making myself clear as to what my motives are...I don't think I am though.

[Asmodeus]

Yes, Ezor, I'm looking at the issue from both sides. Spawning is unethical, but 9 times out of 10 you have to do it to survive.

And Asmodeus, as a fellow idealist it's great to see someone do some logical thinking to try and make this game better, but I think you aimed a little too high. Just relax, ignore the spawners and have fun.

Heh, you're probably right...but it doesn't hurt to try. Think about all the past revolutions....the French and American Revolutions and the likes. Why not start another in our small online community? :P

[Mystics]

What a pointless post. There is no way this will change everyones view on spawning. Im very competitive and obviously theres always going to be someone to continue to spawn. Lol last game against -kaos- i got spawned 3 times in a row and i couldn't even move. I was pretty pissed then but its funny now

Spawn or be Spawned