Do you believe in luck?

[Rion.]

In relation to Subspace?

I think this sometimes, like when you kill someone and you get the "lol lucked" thing. Let's say you attempt a difficult / fancy / impressive shot and succeed, scoring a kill on an opponent. Do you consider luck a factor in the success of that shot?

Using a hypothetical example off of the top of my head on this, say you manage to score a direct hit on an opponent in baseelim from the edge of the radar. There will probably be something along these lines said;

DEA> lol stray
DEA> die of cancer newbie

(The events and characters depicted in this example are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.)

I read a quote that said "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.". I interpret this as meaning that there is no such thing as luck - it's all you. Going back to the above example, I believe there (usually) needs to be some planning for something like this to succeed - The exception being when there genuinely is a "lucky" occurance such as an unplanned bounce or a true stray when a shot misses its target but hits someone else etc.

That said, how about shrapnel? If a Shark mines over walls with the intent of spraying the opposing team with shrapnel when they are repelled, is it lucky if the shrapnel kills the Terrier, even though that was the Sharks intent?

Just wondering about your opinions.

[winipcfg]

Luck, in my opinion, is pretty much present anywhere. But the combination of both luck and skill is what makes more difficult/fancy/etc. shots possible.

[Dant-Zu]

I think I'm one of the biggest luckers.

[freddie]

Of course some shots are pure luck, but it's stupid to think that every weird kill is luck. Some people just has more imagination and brains than others. :P

[Due]

some times u got bad luck when u get spawned 3 times & got strayed 2 times.

[Twerp]

I just thinks it's just an excuse for the people that got randomly killed. It's their fault that they couldn't dodge it.

If you just are spinning around in a spider and fire shots left and right and hit someone, I'd call that luck. So I do believe in it.

[Torn Wing]

You have your on days and you have your off days.

When a good player is having an off day and a new player is having an on day, it's considered luck, because the moment is oppurtune, but the new player hasnt had any real preparation.

[RoDNeY]

Lol im at school, In computers, Yea i think that luck is probably 50% of every shot, Because You honestly dont know what the person is going to do, you can Assume you know but you will never know Skill is the aim of the shot and luck is the part if they run into it

[Rion.]

You have your on days and you have your off days.

When a good player is having an off day and a new player is having an on day, it's considered luck, because the moment is oppurtune, but the new player hasnt had any real preparation.

I believe there was a thread kinda talking about this "on / off days" thing - Some people call it being "in the zone". I think it was Lofty. Possibly it was in that "best warbird styles" one. This could possibly be considered a lucky time for the newer player since the good player is having a bad game or whatever, but while I do believe luck plays a part in the game, it's not nearly as much as some people make out.

i think that luck is probably 50% of every shot, Because You honestly dont know what the person is going to do, you can Assume you know but you will never know Skill is the aim of the shot and luck is the part if they run into it

I disagree partly with it being totally luck in anticipating where someone will go. A lot of this I believe to be experience, and being able to "read" your opponent. For example, newer Javelin players are very easy to read. They will fly directly into a wall aiming, waiting for you to follow, and as the experienced player can read this, they easily dodge at the last minute, having anticipated it for ages and score an easy kill. That's not luck at all.

Your skill and experience determines your aiming and your "reading" - Your opponent's skill determines whether they can dodge that shot.

If, for example, due to circumstances, let's say for example (again!) that someone has just closely survived a fight in baseelim and are stuck in a corner or whatever and you bomb them, it could be considered a lucky moment for you to catch them practically helpless, but it could also be argued that it is just experience that led you to vulch them.

Iiinteresting, anyway.

Well I think so.

[Twerp]

Haha! Aos still has school :P That's so unlucky :P.

[PH]

Unless you practically spawn on top of a bullet/bomb/piece of shrapnel, it's your own damn fault for not anticipating the attack and dodging it. It's not "luck", it's your reaction skills faltering. As far as "unexpected bounces" go, there are only so many different bounces a bomb can make. If you're anywhere near a spot where one of those bounces can get you, that's your own fault for not calculating the possible bounce spots and trajectories and avoiding them. Other than that, luck is just an excuse that shitty players use when they can't think of any other rehashed garbage to throw out.

Oh, and Rodney, your statement only applies to the truly elite players, IMO. They mix up their dodging styles based on what you do, so you really don't know what their next move will be. They make you play their game. The less skilled players have at least some degree of regularity or some type of pattern to their style of play, and often become overaggressive, so they're more likely to be picked off by a skilled player who observes their tendencies and shows patience. It's all about precision, technique, and knowing what your opponent will do in a given situation. There is no luck involved there. If you run into a bullet, that's your own stupidity. If your opponent runs into a bullet, that's their stupidity. Simple as that.

[An UnKnOwN KiLLa]

yea, what if someone was shooting with their eyes closed and killed something? would that be skill? i think not ^-^

[PH]

Only a fucking idiot would do that.

[Stabwound]

Of course luck is a huge part of this game, in all 3 leagues. Because randomness plays a big part in the game, of course luck helps in this.

In basing it is the most evident. Greens- it's random what you will get from them. It could be something useless like multifire, or you could get a full charge which could save your terriers life, or a burst which could help your terrier kill the enemy team's terrier. A jav could shoot a bomb -which misses it's target- and then when it explodes it throws off some random shrapnel that takes out a few enemies. This is all luck, because ultimately you can't control the outcome- because it is RANDOM.

[Dameon Angell]

You can make a shot to hit anyone at any position on the map with the right ship, you just gotta think outside of the box. Luck? No, just skill. Cause when you chalk up a kill to luck for yourself, you're only bringing yourself down.