Javelin limit in PurePub?

[Sarien]

Putting in a limit on the amount of ships in a public arena creates more problems than it solves.

Kolar's idea of the bot that lets the person that got TK'ed decide if the dude should get punished is a great idea. It even lets you expound on the idea of the bot greening the offender with an engine shutdown. With the ability to keep track of how many times the guy has TKed while they're in the arena, you could do first offense an engine shutdown, second a setship, and third it summons a mod, and if there's a fourth; bannination all over the countryside, banninating all of the peasants. Or however the guys in charge want to work it. This is a great idea, I think. It could really be cool.

[SpiderMage]

Putting in a limit on the amount of ships in a public arena creates more problems than it solves.

Kolar's idea of the bot that lets the person that got TK'ed decide if the dude should get punished is a great idea. It even lets you expound on the idea of the bot greening the offender with an engine shutdown. With the ability to keep track of how many times the guy has TKed while they're in the arena, you could do first offense an engine shutdown, second a setship, and third it summons a mod, and if there's a fourth; bannination all over the countryside, banninating all of the peasants. Or however the guys in charge want to work it. This is a great idea, I think. It could really be cool.

But then you run into the problem of people using it against players who simply made a bad shot, or their shot was repped, or mines were repped, or an opponent runs over a mine and you were too close... unless you put a minimum amount of TKs before the killed teammate gets to decide what happens, say like 3 - 5 or so.

[Kontrolz]

I think we've found through this thread that there really is no good way to go about limiting hte number of javs in a pub (getting rid of a ship works well but limiting the number allowed is a bit more complicated). I say we try my idea, surprise! Lets just see how well things go if you change the cloakers from benig the most powerful ship in the game, I bet less people will jav and there will be no need to put a system in place to limit them. You've changed the weasel so many times don't pretend like changing it is a big deal, AT LEAST make them have to shoot with full energy or slow their recharge rate. Personally, I'd like to see them big again.

[PH]

Here's an idea. Stop trying to use bots to replace staff. Take away their crackpipes and make them crack down on this shit, because a bot can't use logic and decide if a player made a genuine mistake or if he's just a teamkilling dick.

Then again most staffers can't use logic either. You all lose. Go home.

[Faladir]

Great idea
U finally come to the step that u DECIDE to PLAY in PUB
then step 2 : after suffering many hours (5 minutes) u finally got the BASE (whch is the object)
Then things are working out fine, everybody is happy, but SUDDENLY, a yellow Wiener with a blacktipped nose kills you,
BUT which is the WORST, the Wiener doesnt have a blue name ooh noooooooo
HE HAS A YELLOW NAME, YELLOW SHIP AND NAME and he kills you
BOOOOOOOEM finished with you in base. After all the effort the other team gets base again and then u just sit back and wait till theyr jav tk's them terr and u are in again SIMPLE???????

[PEGASiS]

Great idea
U finally come to the step that u DECIDE to PLAY in PUB
then step 2 : after suffering many hours (5 minutes) u finally got the BASE (whch is the object)
Then things are working out fine, everybody is happy, but SUDDENLY, a yellow Wiener with a blacktipped nose kills you,
BUT which is the WORST, the Wiener doesnt have a blue name ooh noooooooo
HE HAS A YELLOW NAME, YELLOW SHIP AND NAME and he kills you
BOOOOOOOEM finished with you in base. After all the effort the other team gets base again and then u just sit back and wait till theyr jav tk's them terr and u are in again SIMPLE???????

genius.

[Kolar]

My idea wouldn't be replacing mods nor would it allow for them to get out of actually doing work. When someone team kills, probably about 70 % of the time it is a new person who hasn't learned that team killing is illegal in Trench Wars, this way they can be messaged by the bot imforming them of their offense (but still be reported by players) and or greened. For the other 30 or so percent, this will make it more of a hassle to be team killing and I think this system will help keep track of those players and their illegal activities. it isn't prevention but it will discourage most players.


Edit: I last thing, this wouldn't be setup where you would always get greeened, shipset for 1 tk. The time between tks, the amount and other things could be made up into a formula but to start I think giving a PM from the bot with warnings about team killing would be something.

[MiKe_HawK]

<-- Stopped Caring / Stopped Pubbing

[Volny]

Making pure pub something closer to regular basing would maybe attract more "vets" or "voobs" into this may help to bring fresh blood into basing? (maybe, just an idea)
And one step to make pure pub "purer" is to limit javs - just try it on weekend or something and see how it will work - i dont know if its Bot or Continuum feature - "ship limit of ship 2 has been set to X" - 1 command on the beginning one command at the end of weekend. no new programing no extra work. Just try it.

[Troll King]

I can never figure out why people seem to think that adding more limits to create an artificial and contrived pub environment would make it more "pure".

[Volny]

I can never figure out why people seem to think that adding more limits to create an artificial and contrived pub environment would make it more "pure".

i personally intend to think that pure is closer to basing than ordinary pubs. and I think that less javs are closer to basing than more javs

[deutschpunkrevolte]

I demand a warbird limit!

[crazi]

i think instead of having a javelin limit, why not force a staffer to play the purepub 24/7. think about it, then he/she can eat crackers and see who is team killing! and if the team killer is on the other freq, the better! then we can all laugh at that staffer when they are on their 49th hour and talkin about the time in vietnam the enemy captured him and fed him to a 3 legged dog!

YAY

but seriously, we should have mandatory number of hours staff has to be in pub for! Doesn't matter if its zh to mod, Z to M. Maybe an hour a day? or 30 hours a month! Then tk's will go down as the person u TK will be an <ER>. lol... things get more seriously when you hit the cop car! U FEEL ME

Then there would be no need for team kill stuff. Of course, this requires staffers to actually be online! But think of the benefits! I mean, you might even win a washer and dryer!

[Theif of Time]

i think crazi's idea is a decent one. Some staffers do spend time in pub- Rudy and Kolar are the ones I see most often. qan occasionally. Lunar used to later at night (but no longer does for obvious reasons)
I do like Mike hawks idea. In theory a restriction would be good but in practice you would get 'jav hogs' and they may not neccesarily be good javs, just lucky ones (to actually get jav) and still tk. I also like Kolars idea. Why not combine the two?
If someone teamkills too much the bot switches their ship to spider and stops them from changing back to jav for a five minute period. Like a timeout. Even if it is accidental, the punishment isn't too severe (engine shutdowns will just make them get spawned) Five minutes without jav isn't a bad thing.

[0bnoxious <HC>]

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There should be a limit. However, maybe TW could adopt EG or other zones' style by auto-warning those who have tked 4 times in a row or above. And this will trigger mods' attention.