Announcement

**Troll King** · 05-22-2005, 10:05 PM

There is such a thing as over-population, and that's what we have here. If the average population in the zone is about 450 then 20% less would be about 360 people, still a healthy number and still at least 50% higher than the next most populated zone. Just imagine what the other zones will think about TW players crying over their population dropping to a mere 360. If even half of the 90 people would leave TW tried other zones then it's still better for the overall Continuum community.

And take a look at some of the problems we have in this zone. Too many people TK because the overall skill of the player base is diluted. Too many people not basing (if those a lot of people leave because the levi were changed into a basing ship, then it's not basers that we are losing). Staff being overtaxed and being able to efficiently serve an inflated player base. Rules and settings that are designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator instead of being towards actual improvement. All of those problems are symptoms of a zone being too big for its own good.

Everyone seems to believe that population size is the sign of how well this zone is doing. That's just a myth.

**Theif of Time** · 05-23-2005, 04:23 AM

First we started with compains about tks

so? people don't like being killed by their own team acting like idiots.

Then we moved on to changing sharpnels to javs

What? last time I checked (Yesterday) Jav had as much shrap as it did a year ago.

Then to reform the leviathans

So? The majority of people, including those who own the zone, thought it needed reforming so made a decision to reform it. Big deal.

Now we have a bot that changes your ship when you kill 2 of your teammates ... (or maybe just twice irrispectively of the number of kills)

And what, exactly, is your problem with this?

Finnaly ... what we have now is a game that is charging towards its final turn. With all these complaints about tks (which IS part of what the game is all about regardless of what all you noobs think about your scores and bounty) we will get a total new game which will NOT be fun to play with.

Ok, so you like tk's the way they are. This implies that your method of gameplay is that of someone who enjoys randomly killing people who do not expect it, because you are meant to be on their side. Face facts: If I made a poll, and got a forum mod to move it to polls forum, asking who enjoyed being tk'd while trying to play, I'm willing to bet to 99.5% that over 50% of people will say they do not in fact enjoy being tk'd whilst trying to play.
[quote] I know I refuse to play with that bot running ... and I know I'm not the only one either ... After all there are 250-700 simultaneus players at any given time in TW out of those 10-20 complain about tks ...[quote]
I'm not sure how you got hold of the teamkill complaints statistics, but please leave us a link to a credible source.

the rest of us just think that thats what the game is all about, and still we get a game where a tk is punished even if this is the right thing to do (killed the last enemy terr in base while sacrificing a teammate just ot save base, and I got punished for this, even if my teammate said thx for what I did)

Punished as in your ship changed, or warned/banned? While talking to qan about this bot (And I assume the bot implemented is his bot) he told me that the bot doesn't actually punish anything on its own: it automatically changes someone to prevent them teamkilling more if they do it to a certain degree, but doesn't lock them in that ship. It calls in a staff member is someone kills the same person multiple times, or teamkills multiple times in succesion.. Short answer: esc+2 changes you back with minimal loss of momentum.

TW staff has to change ... You guys are noobs (obviously) and dont have the balls to control the game, only the rights to f*ck it up ...

The only people with the rights to change things are the sysops. And that is because they are paying the server bills.
It is hard to judge on who is a newbie or not, it being a completely subjective term. Bring up some concrete evidence rather than childish name calling and I'll pay you more respect.

Good job ... soon TW will die just like many other games with bad ops did in the past ...

I haven't been around for as long as some people, but I have heard that TW used to have some pretty abusive ops in the distant past.
Yet... gasp... its not dead.

need I say more about the quality of players and ops ??

you can't say anything about the sysops, seeing as none of them have posted in this thread.

Lets have the known pubs with tk's allowed and the timed game, and another pub wit htk's punished and (of course) the well nown timed game ... Make the creation of the pubs public so that people can choose the one they want, and lets see which one is going to be more popular ...
I bet I know the results ...

Oh really? Now me, I would have thought a poll would be easier, bot run in game (although those do take quite a bit of bandwidth I hear).

Now, may I suggest that if you do indeed represent a large proportion of people, get two or three of them to post here on the forums in your support. Don't try and alias though.

**Sp@z** · 05-23-2005, 05:39 AM

Originally posted by Troll King

There is such a thing as over-population, and that's what we have here. If the average population in the zone is about 450 then 20% less would be about 360 people, still a healthy number and still at least 50% higher than the next most populated zone. Just imagine what the other zones will think about TW players crying over their population dropping to a mere 360. If even half of the 90 people would leave TW tried other zones then it's still better for the overall Continuum community.

And take a look at some of the problems we have in this zone. Too many people TK because the overall skill of the player base is diluted. Too many people not basing (if those a lot of people leave because the levi were changed into a basing ship, then it's not basers that we are losing). Staff being overtaxed and being able to efficiently serve an inflated player base. Rules and settings that are designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator instead of being towards actual improvement. All of those problems are symptoms of a zone being too big for its own good.

Everyone seems to believe that population size is the sign of how well this zone is doing. That's just a myth.

Your point is unfortunately sad ...

Besides the fact that you are not on track (you actually did not undestand what I was "flaming" about) you are definetly 2 new to know that just 18 months ago during weekends Continuum had 2500 online players at peek times (not just TW) and now during the same peek times we get 1400-1600 players ... all that because ops change things that suit them and NOT the players ... That is how Continuum, and in particular TW which I like, is heading towards death.

We are all supposed to know that this is just a game, but some of us like it enough to want it to keep on going for at least a few more years.

**A_S_S_wipe** · 05-23-2005, 05:42 AM

I agree that too many unpopular changes are occurring. And as for the bot, on a private LT freq many times a LT defender doesnt mind getting TKd, as in base when sometimes you have to take one for the team. Now I see that the TKbots arent even being used in the base arenas, but have been assigned to disrupt levis. We can live with that, but apply the same rule to everybody, leave the pub settings as they are.
. And so the decline continues and ppl voice their opinions, all you hear in response is "GTFO, leave, FU etc..". That's not proper etiquette for your fellow gamers. It reeks of imperialism, where the iron hand of the powers that be DEMANDS your compliance with its desires. Rebel, and be outcast. This is doomed to drive ppl away. The arena seems more like a "tag" game anyway, its appeal rests on the ability to tag a player, get a kill. No matter with energy management, escape plans, etc... How can it get any simpler? Simpler = fucked up, from here on its downhill. Stop force feeding us crap then getting mad when we spew it right back out. Also, I've noticed a decline in population right after they installed the "pure base" arenas. Nothings pure about force.

**Sp@z** · 05-23-2005, 05:57 AM