recharge cheats

[kthx]

Kolar - By liberal bullshit, I mean that you always have to have irrevocable proof that someone did something wrong in order to change your mind, and even then its 50/50. You always jump into conversations that you honestly have no right being in, nor any reason to being in, considering you were not apart of the original conversation in the first place. As for me acting like a "12 year fucking brat" well, I keep that off my staff name, and I do it for fun, most people could careless. When I am on my staff name, I generally act professional except for when im having fun with the players in my hosted arenas.

Nethila - Does it matter if I used ?Help instead of ?Cheater in my post, it is honestly the same difference. and yes amazingly enough I can read. And yes btw, I logged on my staff name to host some events for people who wanted them hosted this morning, is that any reason to get snotty with me, for hosting a few events.. I don't understand.

Ward - I do have the right to agree or disagree with staff policies, I think some people take it the wrong way when I disagree publically though. I honestly think that the players who have spent hours and hours, years and years on this zone have as much right to know about the changes staff is planning to make as staff itself does. Obviously some things that we do to stop certain things on the zone can't be blurted out, but for the most part... if we are going to change things in the zone, I would like a general consensus first. Staff is here to serve the players of Trench Wars and make the zone a better place to play in, not manipulate and control them, while making changes that effect the zone behind their backs.

Dameon - In terms of energy hacks, since apparently what Kolar said about them was the only way is true as far as I know. Zeus says he has a way to detect CE and bring it to light, I say we let him do what he can, because obviously nothing else we have tried to date is working.

You see people, I didn't make my first post on this forum in any attempt to whine and place blame, I was merely stating a fact of the matter as I saw it. I am sure others can agree and back up what I said. Racists get warned and banned in under a minute, yet to find someone to watch a possible cheater it takes much longer, the fact that there has to be X staffers watching a game before anything can be done, it is all bullshit red tape that needs to be cleared out of the way if we want to bring this zone to a golden age of playing without having to deal with the possibility of the next squad you dd having so and so who lags very oddly. Basically staff as a whole, yes even me, needs to get our priorities straight if we wan't to come out of this recent hacking age in TW history, and I myself would honestly like to do something about it, besides cause fights inside of staff which weakens it as a whole.

- Wark.

[Izor]

Speaking of the hierarchal system on staff, is it true that you're only as ZH Kolar? By your own logic you shouldnt be 'mouthing off' to wark since he is above you in that system. Or is it that because you plan to go from zh to mod you think you're already at that level? And besides Nethila started any personal attacks with his post here..wark brought up that from personal experience some mods have just pretty much blown him off, which was relevant to my original post in that the same has happened to me. I would say they should learn how to do their job as a mod taking a ?cheater call, not tell an obviously competent event ref to learn how to do theirs.

Antega you're right that it is sometimes a grey area where you do not know if a cheat was used. However when you are at 5-600 energy in a wb and you back boost away from somebody following you and when you have to stop then they shoot instantly you know.

[Revolve]

what izor said

[Kolar]

Kolar - By liberal bullshit, I mean that you always have to have irrevocable proof that someone did something wrong in order to change your mind, and even then its 50/50. You always jump into conversations that you honestly have no right being in, nor any reason to being in, considering you were not apart of the original conversation in the first place. As for me acting like a "12 year fucking brat" well, I keep that off my staff name, and I do it for fun, most people could careless. When I am on my staff name, I generally act professional except for when im having fun with the players in my hosted arenas.

If it's in a public forum: I have every right to be there.
As for proof ect.. I don't care, my point has always been that if there's an issue about a person on staff not doing their job then it is not meant for here. If it's a post about a general problem within staff but is polite, constrctive and has meaning then this forum is where it can remain.
The oringal conversation was about Izor complaining about how Moderators don't check for energy hacking, I asked if there was a recharge cheat that he knows of, that was the orignal conversation and as for your little bitch fight with Neth that is a personal argument. Both of you brought in shit from staff so I stepped in and told both of you to shut up. This doesn't have anything to do with names or being on them, you have serious problem with getting into shit and it makes staff look bad and it causes more of a mess here.

Speaking of the hierarchal system on staff, is it true that you're only as ZH Kolar? By your own logic you shouldnt be 'mouthing off' to wark since he is above you in that system. Or is it that because you plan to go from zh to mod you think you're already at that level? And besides Nethila started any personal attacks with his post here..wark brought up that from personal experience some mods have just pretty much blown him off, which was relevant to my original post in that the same has happened to me. I would say they should learn how to do their job as a mod taking a ?cheater call, not tell an obviously competent event ref to learn how to do theirs.

Antega you're right that it is sometimes a grey area where you do not know if a cheat was used. However when you are at 5-600 energy in a wb and you back boost away from somebody following you and when you have to stop then they shoot instantly you know.

I am not being rude to Wark, I am informing him that his stand on this forum does not align with our polices. As for being above me that is a moot point, I work for the Zone/People and for Upper Staff mainly Pure_Luck and Mantra-Slider, Wark does also. Seniority does not matter in lower staff except maybe for promotions but then being active and having more knowledge and experience is more important. I don't take "orders" and I don't have to do things for a Mod or ER if told/asked, where as a Smod could ask me and I am expected to do it. I don't consider myself a Moderator, I am a ZH by choice being that I demoted myself and have refused ER twice now. I also do side things like ECT, maps upload, staff training, tw radio before it died and more recently been helping ssc with tw stuff.

Random whinning about Moderators not helping Wark <ER> does not help the situation but I agree that both Neth and Wark should have not gotten into telling each other what to do as their jobs, I called them on it. I'm not saying people shouldn't be allowed to post, if that were the case I wouldn't have to explain this every time but that wark and Neth shouldn't have taken it that far, Wark should have taken it to staff privately as a ER and that all of this is pretty much common sense and logical for this type of forum.
Wark has made it clear that he is not happy with their proformence, a public statment of that fact would bring an attack by Mods, that's a given so he should have known better being a staffer on and off for so long. Neth should have had a Smod talk to Wark or asked wark to keep it off the forum much like I did.

Do you have anything to offer Izor as to if a recharge cheat exists?

[Izor]

Actually your origninal post here never told neth to shut up, only a rant about warks character. That makes it look like you're taking sides even though you try to act like an unbiased 3rd party later on.

As for how the cheating is done, yeah you got me I dont really know specifically how to go about cheating since i havent exactly tried it before. However that doesnt mean I dont understand the concept of how it is done. In other zones when you get a recharge increased green, some value has to change to reflect that correct? Perhaps it is as simple as hitting a hotkey for an fc but I do not think that is a logical assumption since I know that staff that said it was legit would have seen something as obvious as that. If you have any way to explain what happened then feel free to say, but I may be mislead by the fact that a staff was watching this happen into thinking that it was something more subtle.

[Kolar]

Actually your origninal post here never told neth to shut up, only a rant about warks character. That makes it look like you're taking sides even though you try to act like an unbiased 3rd party later on.

As for how the cheating is done, yeah you got me I dont really know specifically how to go about cheating since i havent exactly tried it before. However that doesnt mean I dont understand the concept of how it is done. In other zones when you get a recharge increased green, some value has to change to reflect that correct? Perhaps it is as simple as hitting a hotkey for an fc but I do not think that is a logical assumption since I know that staff that said it was legit would have seen something as obvious as that. If you have any way to explain what happened then feel free to say, but I may be mislead by the fact that a staff was watching this happen into thinking that it was something more subtle.

I'm not unbiased, I don't think Wark is mature enough to be on staff and that's that. I probably should have told both of them to shut up, I told wark mainly because I have a problem with him bringing the issue here in the first place, that lead to their little bitch fight so I told them both.

I wonder why you would post on here. I understand that you're not happy with the situation with Ikrit but I believe he followed everything and check into it. Raising your energy at a faster rate doesn't seem be a a common cheat or possiable where i'm sitting but the energy hack is well know.


The SS software uses UDP which doesn't recheck the packets/information nor does anything in the software so really the server expects you to be telling the truth on what you send it. Changing the value through a memory editor changes the value on your machine since it is client side and sends it to the server. The people I've talked to couldn't find a value for rechange rate so for now I don't think it is a real threat.

[Hero*]

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[kthx]

I'm not unbiased, I don't think Wark is mature enough to be on staff and that's that. I probably should have told both of them to shut up, I told wark mainly because I have a problem with him bringing the issue here in the first place, that lead to their little bitch fight so I told them both.

I wonder why you would post on here. I understand that you're not happy with the situation with Ikrit but I believe he followed everything and check into it. Raising your energy at a faster rate doesn't seem be a a common cheat or possiable where i'm sitting but the energy hack is well know.


The SS software uses UDP which doesn't recheck the packets/information nor does anything in the software so really the server expects you to be telling the truth on what you send it. Changing the value through a memory editor changes the value on your machine since it is client side and sends it to the server. The people I've talked to couldn't find a value for rechange rate so for now I don't think it is a real threat.

Im not mature enough for staff you say, yet here you are bringing up your problem with me being on staff, while you just said yourself that your problem with my original post was bringing about stuff that should have been put on the private staff forum into the general forum. Take a hard long look at yourself and see who is immature, and a hypocrite to boot.

[Kolar]

Im not mature enough for staff you say, yet here you are bringing up your problem with me being on staff, while you just said yourself that your problem with my original post was bringing about stuff that should have been put on the private staff forum into the general forum. Take a hard long look at yourself and see who is immature, and a hypocrite to boot.

Thus my point is proven. This shit isn't meant for the public forum. What's worse? being an asshole and knowing it or being completely oblivious to the fact?
I don't practice what I know, so what? Do I have to be a holy and pure example to you or anyone else so I can convey my point or so you'll listen to me.

[kthx]

Thus my point is proven. This shit isn't meant for the public forum. What's worse? being an asshole and knowing it or being completely oblivious to the fact?
I don't practice what I know, so what? Do I have to be a holy and pure example to you or anyone else so I can convey my point or so you'll listen to me.

How do you expect people to follow your example when you don't hold that example yourself, after all your on staff, people are supposed to look up to you. Or is having the last word in this conversation more important then holding yourself up to the morals you expect other people to hold themselves up to? And as for being an asshole, every game needs a villain, what would any game be without someone you hate and want to defeat at the end, thats what Quicksand is. For instance lets say Trench Wars was 007 Goldeneye, Quicksand would be Janus, the evil player that you look forward to defeating in the finale, The other players would be 007, trying their hardest to beat the game for the chance to kill you, and you would be Natalya, constantly whining and trying to correct James for accidentally killing a Boris or two with a lame spawn in the control room.

[Kolar]

How do you expect people to follow your example when you don't hold that example yourself, after all your on staff, people are supposed to look up to you. Or is having the last word in this conversation more important then holding yourself up to the morals you expect other people to hold themselves up to?

I personally don't care if people follow me or not, they will do what they want in the end and as for showing myself in as a mature person I think I do that enough for people to know what i'm about. I didn't think we were at the "last word" stage yet but sure if you want to stop go right ahead, just no fishing for a reply if you're done.

There are no holy people who will always be unbiased or uncorruptable, this is a cold fact of life. We are only people.

[Izor]

If this was about one staffer, I'd take it up with that staffer. Personally I dont really blame any ER for anything, because as you said to wark its not an ER's job to look for cheaters. Yet every time I send a ?cheater all I get is an ER to watch it. If you refuse to listen to what they have to say since it is not their job, then why are they allowed to take cheater calls in the first place? The best they can do is say 'yeah that looks like a cheat' and then call a mod in to look at it. However you still allow ERs to take these calls, and part of the reason I am posting is to determine why you tell them its not their job to look for cheaters when you let them take cheater calls. It is perhaps misleading to members of staff and to the community

You say this is not possible from where you stand, but it doesnt change the fact that something is not right when someone is recharging faster than me. Like I said I had a staffer watching it and I noted that I boosted almost straight back for 500 to 600 energy and when i had to stop i was shot immediately by someone who was following me. It doesnt take 5 years of wb experience to understand you cant shoot right after boosting that long. When I asked the staffer I was told that it wasnt a cheat because his energy didnt stay at 1500. I am making the assumption that he could at least notice him prize a full charge before I post this. Therefore the only possibilities left are that it takes less than 1350 energy to shoot a wb bullet, or that his recharge is off in some way.

EDIT: and wark is the oddjob camping the body armor and talking shit

[Kolar]

Gonna PM you Izor. I don't want to post anymore information.

[D1st0rt]

In theory, if a memory editor can change something like a ship radius it can change any of the other client settings stored in memory (including recharge rate). As I see it, it would be fairly difficult to track down the recharge address for a particular ship because of the way memory editors do their searches. Every 2 minutes however, the server sends out a synchronization request (0x18) that the client responds to with a checksum of local client settings in memory. If the settings the client has don't match the ones the server has, a sysop warning shows up and there's also an option in settings to kick them automatically.

[Ward]

kolar what's wrong with bringing staff issues to public forums? im sure some people here, including me, would find it interesting.