Why are the rules to banning a cheater so ignorant and strict?

[Zerzera]

Wrong again ZZ. There are strict rules and procedures for banning including observation, ban length and association. Maybe if you took the time as a ZH to check it out you'd know now. This responce was clearly a misinformed ZH giving bad information. If Exalt would give that name to the smods/sysops he/she will be informed and shit gets done.

A moderator does not need another Mod or Smod to ban. Second opinions are used sometimes to make sure the person is abusing/hacking. The rest is Moderator stuff and not given out to players for very simple reasons. Everything you need to know to stay out of being banned is at A1.

Dude, that's far worse than the situation I sketched.
So you have rules but your moderators don't know about these rules (and so don't follow them either).
And you are a liar, the fact that some moderators don't know, states that the rules aren't strict. gg Smods.

And no, I didn't take the time to check out modstuff as ZH, I never felt the need to become a moderator, just because you want to be a big shot more than anything...

[Kolar]

Dude, that's far worse than the situation I sketched.
So you have rules but your moderators don't know about these rules (and so don't follow them either).
And you are a liar, the fact that some moderators don't know, states that the rules aren't strict. gg Smods.

And no, I didn't take the time to check out modstuff as ZH, I never felt the need to become a moderator, just because you want to be a big shot more than anything...

More speculation about how staffers do their job. Tell me ZZ, do you get daily logs and ban reports from all of them? Just some maybe? Kim said it best, you can not use your small experiences with one or two staffers to define your opinion entirely of all staffers. Not all ZHs are power hungry because they have so little, not all Mods are corrupt and let their cheater friends off without bans and not all Smods stopped caring about the zone. All I can say is the way things run here they do not favor those type of scenarios where people can abuse, innocent people get banned and get away with anything. This is a failing but it helps us rework the structure of staff and the zone to make it better, people will always be immature here considering a majority of the population is adolescents and there is no stop check against that that is 100% effective. There are also major failings in cheater detection mainly due to a lack of knowledge and tools within the software.


How would I know if they are or are not doing their job?
Some of them are not good at it, some of them shouldn't be Moderators but if some of them didn't know these simple rules they wouldn't be able to do the job and the Smods would see that very quickly IE random bans without comments, random lengths ect.. and if I went around posting their names bitching about it we'd have WW3 on this forum and i'm not intrested in arguing with people. You can't group them all together and say they're bad, person by person I wish they knew more about Subspace and cheats but they're not bad people nor are they bad at their job. The system isn't perfect but it is far better then you and many others credit it with, making it better is the goal of people in staff but you continue to give people like me shit for no reason at all. I think you need to grow up a bit more Zerzera, open your eyes a little. I could just dismiss you and say fuck it (after that nazi thing I could also have you banned) but i'm open here, I'm willing to give you guys some information; do not dismiss me so quickly.


I agree Capital. We don't need more meaningless rules to follow, the problem is with some staffers. As I said above the real problem is within the population the deans have to recruit from. The deans need to start imposing a 2 week suspension for all abuse cases, like a three strike system. In contrast bans need to be longer and the period afterward where you can be banned again must be random to the player or 1-2 months. I'm tired of seeing people using racism or tking once their time is up, it's abused too much.

I think all the oversight and work has been done, ironing out little things like this is needed when abuse cases pop up, it really would cut the fat off quickly.
An age limit may be hard to impose but generally I think PL/Mantra and the deans before them tried to recruit from older people, i'm not sure if they personally have an age limit.

[Exalt]

JESUS CHRIST kolar do you have to write an essay every time you reply to a post? whoever your trying to impress, its not working for the general public... if this shit is going to get you a mod spot, congratz for putting in all the work? but otherwise you REALLY need to step back and chill on the keyboard for a few minutes

but how is it that you seem to be the great white staff defender while ive talked to certain high level staff members who "off the record" agree with guys like wark, that the system needs to be changed rather than kept the same... only wark seems to make it public what he actually believes to be right or wrong while you just kiss ass and defend everything staff does because your the good little helper boy arnt cha?

[Zerzera]

For the first time you sound honest, rather than being a brown-nosing bastard. At least I have something I can disagree on, rather than hating you.

[Kolar]

JESUS CHRIST kolar do you have to write an essay every time you reply to a post? whoever your trying to impress, its not working for the general public... if this shit is going to get you a mod spot, congratz for putting in all the work? but otherwise you REALLY need to step back and chill on the keyboard for a few minutes

but how is it that you seem to be the great white staff defender while ive talked to certain high level staff members who "off the record" agree with guys like wark, that the system needs to be changed rather than kept the same... only wark seems to make it public what he actually believes to be right or wrong while you just kiss ass and defend everything staff does because your the good little helper boy arnt cha?

I'm not defending them and I've made my position clear from the start. Not all staffers do the right thing, we're not without our failings nor should you expect anymore from a human being but in this forum personal issues are not taken up due to forum rules. I'm not dismissing what some staffers do nor am I saying they have a free ticket to do anything and you guys can't have a problem with it only that the structure of the zone and staff are done and finsihed. Moving on to stircter punishment and checks for new staffers is what will help the situation now when a staffer does abuse.

[Exalt]

I'm not defending them and I've made my position clear from the start. Not all staffers do the right thing, we're not without our failings nor should you expect anymore from a human being but in this forum personal issues are not taken up due to forum rules. I'm not dismissing what some staffers do nor am I saying they have a free ticket to do anything and you guys can't have a problem with it only that the structure of the zone and staff are done and finsihed. Moving on to stircter punishment and checks for new staffers is what will help the situation now when a staffer does abuse.

all im saying is, be more honest with the tw community, people respect wark because hes vocal about things, and what you say is to keep it within staff... im sorry but i honestly dont think you should keep it within staff if there are problems WITHIN staff, get my drift? There are a lot of great staff members right now, so personally I don't have a big problem with it, but I do think the tw community deserves to know about whats going on, considering a lot of the players that WANT to know have played longer than some of the staff members that are causing the problems :/ (and thats not directed toward you)

[Kolar]

all im saying is, be more honest with the tw community, people respect wark because hes vocal about things, and what you say is to keep it within staff... im sorry but i honestly dont think you should keep it within staff if there are problems WITHIN staff, get my drift? There are a lot of great staff members right now, so personally I don't have a big problem with it, but I do think the tw community deserves to know about whats going on, considering a lot of the players that WANT to know have played longer than some of the staff members that are causing the problems :/ (and thats not directed toward you)

Unless forum and zone policy changes I will not comment on personal cases related to players or staffers or on going cases within the zone. I will comment on the policy and the overall operations, give my opinion and provide as much information as I can. If wark doesn't want to do that, that's fine but it doesn't mean he's doing what's right or good for tw staff. His opinion is a seperate issue, he has the right to have it here but that does not mean he is allowed to provide anymore information then I can on specific Moderators and how they do their job, aswell it is not good as a staffer to aruge with other staffers and I think that could have been avioded by being a little more polite here and by appealed his concerns to upper staff rather then throw it into an open and public forum. Again he has the right to do both but it doesn't mean it was the right thing to do, both personally and as a staffer.


It's just my opinion but because someone hasn't played long it doesn't mean they have nothing to offer staff. New staffers should be active in the community and know it well enough but really, if I said Caco or Ren or any of the new ZHs you'd say newbie. In reailty Caco has been playing longer then I have, he's older then most staffers, well educated, he teaches for a living and provides not on help calls but works as a coder. Ren has been around here for a long time on many squads and is fairly active. So don't judge people so quickly. Knowledge and a good attitude means more then being "elite" and old.

[Exalt]

Unless forum and zone policy changes I will not comment on personal cases related to players or staffers or on going cases within the zone. I will comment on the policy and the overall operations, give my opinion and provide as much information as I can. If wark doesn't want to do that, that's fine but it doesn't mean he's doing what's right or good for tw staff.

It's just my opinion but because someone hasn't played long it doesn't mean they have nothing to offer staff. New staffers should be active in the community and know it well enough but really, if I said Caco or Ren or any of the new ZHs you'd say newbie. In reailty Caco has been playing longer then I have, he's older then most staffers, well educated, he teaches for a living and provides not on help calls but works as a coder. Ren has been around here for a long time on many squads and is fairly active. So don't judge people so quickly. Knowledge and a good attitude means more then being "elite" and old.

as you said, thats just your opinion

[Kolar]

as you said, thats just your opinion

Read what I said. I know most people don't like listening to opinion, they feel like they're being told to think some way or whatever when it's just something to consider. That is my opinion, a ZH who has been in staff for over a year now. Take it for what it is.

I'm not replying to trolls or hand holding people through this anymore.

[Carnivale]

Annoying people

This kolar dude is real annoying. Hes always fighting with people on this forum. Like hes got nothing better to do.

afk

[Capital Knockers]

Ok, lay off Kolar guys. These forums are here for one reason - communication. You know.. the sharing of ideas, stories, and opinions? Hell I like Kolar as a staffer. How often do you see Dock>, Priitk, or P_L answer to staff-like issues on the forums? At least Kolar gives people something, whether it be opinion or not. I mean come on, when I get pissed off about something - I make a post. I make that post so that people can see it, read it, reflect on it, agree I'm right.. alright alright.

My point is don't go running your mouths about shit, and then argue in an angered manner when someone voices their opinion in a solid fashion such as kolar does. It's a public forum people. I got no beef with you Exalt, I agree with your original point about the immature/younger staffers and a more structured (and FUCK, make it public - like its time to REVAMP A1 people. Put in black and white, ingame, and advertise the fact that its there) ruling system. As for you ZZ, you seem like an alright guy, although over the last while you seem to be just full of piss and vinegar, relax man.

[Kolar]

This kolar dude is real annoying. Hes always fighting with people on this forum. Like hes got nothing better to do.

What is a forum for but to argue and discuss ideas? Did you think we were all going to all have the same out look here? I'd hate a world where people all agreed with each other. The point is to keep your mind open enough not to let the bullshit hurt you but to let it change your opinion, or not. It's up to you.

I really have much to do in TW and in my own life but I am not one to let ignorance domonate this forum even if the forum staff have decided to let it go.

[Theif of Time]

Apparently forums are meant for one sentance replies that may or may not amount to poking fun at the other parties mothers and/or sex lives.

[Swift]

How's rudy been doing as L1 Local BanG Op?

[Barton]

no idea, might wanna ask upperstaff not "normal" ppl