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[moltenrock]

Can we have some people as referees that control it?

[Jason]

i imagine we'd just give a few people some bot powers, much like ?go base. who gets them is another story, but i don't think it'll be a huge issue.

[all.your.base]

For map dev, a few things from when I was working on the settings; the current settings are quite accepable for pub play. They're fast and pretty loose, with fun wormhole shots and a decently sized ball prox. However, for competitve play, an alternative map might be of interest with diagnols replaced by jaggies, prize-on-kill only (no center greens), rocks replaced with squares, wormhole grav off (no cheesey half courts), smaller ball prox for tighter passing/shooting, and by-ship/freq bomb/shrap/bullet color (see PB).

I don think the settings should be changed, that would just through people off.

[Jason]

you weren't kidding about the pb bot wadi. here are the stats it tracks.

Bot-PB-Publi> STAT        POINTS    DESCRIPTION
Bot-PB-Publi> RA[R]                 rating
Bot-PB-Publi> RPM                   rating per minute of play (4 minutes minimum)
Bot-PB-Publi> GO[G]       7         goals
Bot-PB-Publi> AS[A]       5         assist       (pass to friendly scorer)
Bot-PB-Publi>             5/5
Bot-PB-Publi>             5/5/5
Bot-PB-Publi> KI[K]/B/F   2/3/1     kills/ball carrier kills/kills far from ball
Bot-PB-Publi> DE[D]/B    -1/-2      deaths/deaths with ball
Bot-PB-Publi> TK         -1         team kills
Bot-PB-Publi> ST[S]/D     4/3       steals/delayed steals
Bot-PB-Publi> TO[T]/D/CH -3/-2/-4   turnovers/delayed turnovers/chokes
Bot-PB-Publi> SV[V]       5         saves        (catch enemy shot in goal)
Bot-PB-Publi> SA[E]       3         save assists (catch pass from save)
Bot-PB-Publi> SP[W]       2         spawns       (pick up ball in center after goal)
Bot-PB-Publi> BC[B]       0.5       ball carries (for points, max BC = BT/5.0)
Bot-PB-Publi> BT          0.1       ball time    (total ball possession time in seconds)
Bot-PB-Publi> NB[N]       0.1       near ball    (player position checked every 5.0 seconds)
Bot-PB-Publi> PT                    playing time
Bot-PB-Publi> HRP                   highest rated player

also, during play, when a goal is scored and the updated score gets tossed up, it'll throw in an assist line (if an assist was made.) and steals are thrown up in an *arena message as they occur.

and here's a printout of the post-game stat spam.

Game Duration: 00:20:48
WARBIRDS           RA  RPM GO AS KI DE ST TO W BC B% JAVELINS            RA RPM G A KI DE ST TO W BC B% 
----------------- --- ---- -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- ------------------ --- --- - - -- -- -- -- - -- -- 
broras             82  7.9  3  1  8  2  6  4 0 20 48 tunnel_rat         126 6.8 5 3  7  7  9 13 6 41 84 
Fresh Fruit        69  6.1  2  1  5  5  7  4 1 21 52 ganjastyx           54 6.6 3 1  4  9  4  3 1 18 35 
nekor              58  8.4  2  3  3  1  3  2 1 12 31 Blasphemous Rumors  31 7.9 0 2  3  1  3  3 2  8 18 
Cracka Ass Cracka  55  5.9  2  2  1  5  5  8 4 25 42 hobbes.fu            4 1.6 0 0  1  2  1  1 0  1 10 
darkhosis          18 12.4  0  2  2  1  0  0 1  5  6 Cyanide Era          2 1.4 0 0  1  1  0  0 0  0  6 
Da Vinci           16 10.2  1  1  0  1  0  0 1  5  7 RMsk                 1 1.3 0 0  0  0  1  1 0  1  2 
air-force1          7 14.9  0  1  1  0  0  0 0  1  2 Bourbon Chaos        0     0 0  0  0  0  0 0  0  1 
BIG BaNGER          2  1.6  0  0  0  1  0  0 1  2  4                                                    
----------------- --- ---- -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- ------------------ --- --- - - -- -- -- -- - -- -- 
TOTAL             307      10 11 20 16 21 18 9 91    TOTAL              218     8 6 16 20 18 21 9 69    
----------------- --- ---- -- -- -- -- -- -- - -- -- ------------------ --- --- - - -- -- -- -- - -- -- 
Most Goals:            5   tunnel_rat
Most Assists:          3   tunnel_rat, nekor
Most Kills:            8   broras
Most Ball Kills:       2   broras, Blasphemous Rumors, tunnel_rat
Most Deaths:           9   ganjastyx
Most Ball Deaths:      2   Fresh Fruit, Cracka Ass Cracka
Most Steals:           9   tunnel_rat
Most Turnovers:       13   tunnel_rat
Most Spawns:           6   tunnel_rat
Most Ball Carries:    41   tunnel_rat
Most Ball Time:     2:50   tunnel_rat
Most Near Ball:       84%  tunnel_rat
Highest Rating:      126   tunnel_rat

we definitely need all of this. i'm willing to bet, though, that the pb bots were written in c/c++ and mostly based either off of mervbot or a proprietary setup. we won't be able to port this very easily to twcore. it's just a hunch though.

[Mutton]

I can easily write the code to interpret all of the stats just shown, as long as I have a clear definition of what constitutes a 'save', how near to the ball you must be to clock 'near ball time', etc. We may, however, run into performance issues (much like the balanceout bot starts to fall over when you enable reps, as tracking all the shots begins to overwhelm the available CPU cycles). If that happens, I'll profile the code while testing on dev to see if I can optimize the code at whatever bottlenecks exist. if that *still* doesn't work, I guess it would be time to read up on java's FFI and redo the necessary parts in C :P.

[Nickname]

I am thusly impressed with your work effort jason-san, please continue.

[Verthanthi]

do i need to start playing again? wadi?

[Project]

Mutton sounds elite. Shade's Child, come back to sb. Bring jiu_jitsu

[Mutton]

Just to clear up any possible confusion..

Mutton = Arceo = the dude doing the coding right now.

[deathking]

Just to clear up any possible confusion..

Mutton = Arceo = the dude doing the coding right now.

good, good 4 u ^-^

[Richard Creager]

do i need to start playing again? wadi?

yeah once the bot is off twcore and onto some C baby

fat chance perhaps, so it would seem, already jump time
sorry
you kind of missed out

[Krusnik]

Well I don't know if you can do this, but if possible I think it would be cool go have a bot thats like elimalert except adjusted for autosb.

[Jason]

hey mutton/arceo!

did you manage to get that test off that you were talking to me about? i had to deal with a cranky gf. i wanted to be there.

i don't think stats tracking will give us performance issues. at most, we're only going to have 14 players in a game at once, and usually less than that because most people don't seem to like 7 on 7. as far as what constitutes a save or a choke and all that jazz, we're going to have to put together a committee (yay for committees, castro!) that can debate and eventually generally agree upon what constitutes what.

[Mutton]

The person in charge of organizing and advising me on the technicalities behind SB is Divine Rides. If you want to start discussing formal definitions for the stats to be tracked, you should contact with him.

It's good to see that there's a lot of interest in this project. Who knows.. in time we might be able to turn this into a proper division.

[Jason]

yeah, don't worry. i'm in contact with div all the time. we're going to need to get the old sb vets to weigh in on this, too. wadi, i see you viewing this thread. you need to be on the committee when we get down to deciding what constitutes what.