for the love of god/allah/buddha/l. ron hubbard and whatever else you may believe in!

[Jason]

limit

the

number

of

javs

in

pure

pubs

seriously, why in the hell has this not been done already? i just tried, unsucessfully, for about an hour trying to get a team of 14 people organized enough to make for an interesting time. of the 14 people, i was terring, we had one shark, one warbird and one spider. that left room for TEN javs. what the fuck people?! it's just a mind bogglingly frustrating tk fest. or, even better, man oh man this one really gets me, how about when you're sitting in your terr waiting for all of one mine to be cleared so you can enter fr. does ANYONE make an attempt to rep it? of course not. the one shark on your team is tk'ed by the ten javs lobbing bombs randomly in all directions before he can ever get to the damn mine.

i repeat...

limit

the

number

of

javs

in

pure

pubs

[Miku19]

lol I thought this'd be another strikeball thread :P

[Dant-Zu]

I think we should limit the amount of other ships than jav in pure pub. Let's turn TW into jav-only!

[Jones]

limit

the

number

of

javs

in

pure

pubs

seriously, why in the hell has this not been done already? i just tried, unsucessfully, for about an hour trying to get a team of 14 people organized enough to make for an interesting time. of the 14 people, i was terring, we had one shark, one warbird and one spider. that left room for TEN javs. what the fuck people?! it's just a mind bogglingly frustrating tk fest. or, even better, man oh man this one really gets me, how about when you're sitting in your terr waiting for all of one mine to be cleared so you can enter fr. does ANYONE make an attempt to rep it? of course not. the one shark on your team is tk'ed by the ten javs lobbing bombs randomly in all directions before he can ever get to the damn mine.

i repeat...

limit

the

number

of

javs

in

pure

pubs

amen

[Jerome Scuggs]

F U JASON, I AM A GOOD JAV AND ALL MY FRiENDS ARE JUST JELOUS CUZ THEY CAN'T TEAMKILL AN ENTIRE FLAGROOM LIKE I CAN

[Capital Knockers]

I almost want to use caps. This is so true, limit the fucking ships. It's nuts, and I dont care how many people, staff or not, come on here and say - "no really, its not that bad"

Ok well, bullshit. A - it's not as bad for staff members, because javs are going to be alot more careful with a staff member playing along side them.

Regardless. Pure pubs was an awesome idea to me, but having even more then 3 or 4 newb javs in a pure pub defeats the entire purpose. I've also tried playing in pubs, but EVERY single time, I leave after trying to terr/shark/spider for 20 minutes - and getting killed by the opposing team maybe twice. Just fix it already, it really can't be that difficult can it?

[Nockm]

Good idea, but then who gets to Jav and who doesn't? etc. etc. First-come first-serve or some voting thing, or whatever? I reckon this is the hairy bit that has to be solved first - but if you have a quickfire solution (e.g. FCFS is absolutely fine) then OK.

As a stop-gap solution, you could just simply dump a TWBot in a single pub (if poss) and use its shiplimits module. Additionally you could make it set a greeting message warning the player that there is a Jav-limit in operation (not necessary but might lessen the amount of WTF moments). If true then this could be done in a matter of minutes.

[Dark_grim]

No wait... If it's about voting I'll never have my share
I can't help tking someone right next to me




BAD IDEA! B)

[Reaver]

Agreed, agreed, and agreed. But not necessarily in that order.

[Kolar]

If you could limit the number (without voting or taking team killing into account ect..) meaning 'first come first served' what number is reasonable for a pure public?

Like NOCKM said are there any other well thought out ideas here?

[WuTang420]

i would say 3 kolar. its plenty. can i suggest a 2 shark limit too? only reason for that being i find myself frequently on a pure pub freq trying to get into base against a team with 4 sharks. dont know if youve ever tried this, but its freakin impossible. especially when you only have 1 shark and 7 javs tking it b4 it can rep mines like stated above.

also may i suggest that after 5 tks the current javs\sharks be switched to whoever gets em 1st? doing this by shiplocking the tker out of jav\shark.

[Troll King]

This isn't just a problem for pure pubs. Regular pubs are afflicted as well. Instead of coming up with ship limits to "fix" this problem in the pure pubs, we should think of ways to make it better for all pubs too. Ship limits create other, newer problems and I don't think many people have even considered thinking up other options.

[Richard Creager]

welcome to six to nine months ago, when i quit pub because of it and have been saying this shit ever since

[Kolar]

This isn't just a problem for pure pubs. Regular pubs are afflicted as well. Instead of coming up with ship limits to "fix" this problem in the pure pubs, we should think of ways to make it better for all pubs too. Ship limits create other, newer problems and I don't think many people have even considered thinking up other options.

Yes but the only way I can think of fixing the problem for real would be to change the jav which is not acceptable. The problem is not in the settings but in what people find fun, bombing the shit out of the enemy is more appealing then using a spider, terrier or warbird or actually get a decent record or winning a public game.

Publics were not meant to have 10 javs per team, it doesn't help your frequency, it causes too many team kills (mostly non-intentional which are hard to get banned for), the mass use of it like other ships forces older players out of publics thus killing real basing. Forcibly spreading out the ship availability seems okay when it can balance out the game play (not to mention lower the countless number of team kills we get every day). It's nice to think publics should always be open to whatever ship/game-type you want but in reality we can not offer that while dealing with the bigger problems of this zone.

Still TK if you and anyone else can come up with a better solution (I'm not being rude here) I really would like to hear it.

*The Weasel is a different story because of recent changes to make it a joke and annoying ship.Also keep in mind that pure publics were created to be an example for future upgrades to all publics.

[deathking]

lol who still play pubs?