Trench Wars pub arenas will eventually kill Subspace

[Ignominy]

Take pure pubs and put them in the lower pubs to see how popular they really are, but also to have everyone that enters go into pub 0 (not being a purepub) when they enter the game, unless it's filled.

I've been asking for this for a long time, much for the reasons you stated. I wish someone would pay attention.

[dads revenge]

why are you still playing this game? it's old!
damn im not liking all this, if I want to play something different I would play a different zone.

And that folks is why the population is dwindling

Its time for a change either get with the program or get out of the way and let things progress in an orderly fashion

[Sumpson]

I don't want to play a different zone

btw there's no need for map/setting changes to make progress, check out this other topic i set up.

[Chao.]

I don't want to play a different zone

btw there's no need for map/setting changes to make progress, check out this other topic i set up.

The bot isnt a cure-all, don't you get that?

[Wormhole Surfer]

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It's fairly pointless to try to make any significant changes to pub arenas in order to try to attract new players. You're just going to estrange your loyal player base in large numbers while only attracting new players in much smaller numbers than those departing.

I get the feeling that there are people in staff and in the dev team who believe that TW's population is down due to something that's gone wrong with the zone itself or its settings and by making changes you can bring that population back up. Well, guess what -- it's 2006 and TW isn't impressive enough to gain enough attention to get the population and activity back to what it used to be. Your shitty tilesets and ship-setting changes aren't going to make a dent so why bother?

What makes matters worse is that TW is the most populated zone in Subspace/Continuum and when new players find this game for the first time, those shitty pub arenas are going to be their first (and probably last) impression of what Continuum is all about. And if you think that Trench Wars pub arenas are a good representation of the potential of Continuum, then you've been playing in this zone for way too long.

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[Twerp]

...And if you think that Trench Wars pub arenas are a good representation of the potential of Continuum, then you've been playing in this zone for way too long.

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Thats why I never play pub.

[Troll King]

Thats why I never play pub.

And that kind of attitude is why pubs are suffering.

[Chao.]

And that kind of attitude is why pubs are suffering.

I think the biggest problem is the complete unwillingness to try anything new. There are people who would sooner see the zone slowly die completely than take any sort of "risk" with new things.

[Sumpson]

Nice words "Wormhole Surfer". I have been thinking about how to make public competitive (=better to survive, more competitive is more people care) without changing what people like in the game tho.

[paradise!]

you know what, i have the perfect idea, tw staff should pay me irl to like put a banner over my house saying experience subspace www.trenchwars.org.

And like w ith that u guys can pay ppl or not evne me through paypal so they can pay like a store or something to hang a banner for ss. thank you. i thought of this all by myself. im pretty sure that would help our declining (<--big word) population recover (<---another one)

[dads revenge]

taking collections for a commercial during next superbowl half time

[Vykromond]

"Declining" and "recover" are big words?

[Liquid Blue]

You get put into one of the lower pubs since pub 0 (purepub) is packed. Guess what, it only has 10 or 15 people in it. Can you imagine how much of a downer this is to the new player? This is a serious problem and it needs to be fixed.
We need to be catering to the new player and leaving a little more responsibility to the more experienced players to get into the proper pub they want to be in. Take pure pubs and put them in the lower pubs to see how popular they really are, but also to have everyone that enters go into pub 0 (not being a purepub) when they enter the game, unless it's filled.

I agree, it's a big problem and your idea doesn't sound too bad. I was also thinking it might help to lower the number of pubs, how many are there currently? The zone doesn't have as many people playing as it used to so would knocking the number of pubs to 4 or 5(max) be a bad thing?

A change in the pub map might be a good idea and might actually be refreshing to some older players- figuring out the perfect jav spots, making up new tactics, etc etc. I'm guessing a pub map that is tested by a good number of people that still play pub would be the best course of action. Maybe after a few tests with some regular pubbers, throw the map in for a weekend to see how things go?

The game is declining, but like Chao said some are just resistant to change, which can hurt the game they enjoy more than help it.

[Stabwound]

It's fairly pointless to try to make any significant changes to pub arenas in order to try to attract new players. You're just going to estrange your loyal player base in large numbers while only attracting new players in much smaller numbers than those departing.

I get the feeling that there are people in staff and in the dev team who believe that TW's population is down due to something that's gone wrong with the zone itself or its settings and by making changes you can bring that population back up. Well, guess what -- it's 2006 and TW isn't impressive enough to gain enough attention to get the population and activity back to what it used to be. Your shitty tilesets and ship-setting changes aren't going to make a dent so why bother?

What makes matters worse is that TW is the most populated zone in Subspace/Continuum and when new players find this game for the first time, those shitty pub arenas are going to be their first (and probably last) impression of what Continuum is all about. And if you think that Trench Wars pub arenas are a good representation of the potential of Continuum, then you've been playing in this zone for way too long.

Shooting down ideas and then repeating exactly what I said doesn't help much. If you are going to make a post like this, you can at least make some suggestions.

[Reaver]

I've been asking for this for a long time, much for the reasons you stated. I wish someone would pay attention.

Yeah I think you might have been the originator of the idea, Im not sure I just read it somewhere and thought it was a good point and ran with it.

We need to make subtle small changes that hook new players but dont upset our current playerbase. Change the tileset for the pub map but keep the actual map the same. Put the original settings back in (especially the weasil), and put the pure pub bots at the bottom of the arena list.