Trench Wars pub arenas will eventually kill Subspace

[Ara]

Yes Stabwound, this is what I'd like to see, I wrote about it in Staff's private
forums in June as a reply to Mootland's Zone Objectives topic.
here it is again for the public.. :


" TW's pub map is old fashioned and boring, EG got it's players because they
actually had an entertaining pub map. EG's flagging pub is far more interesting
with it's cool graphics than TW's. We need to finally upgrade our pub map
and game play, the ship settings are what have made TW so popular, not
that one flag in J6.

If we finally dramatically enhance the gameplay we could get more attention
among other zone's pubbers.

AND

The people who are playing the game for the first time will try TW as their
first choice because of the amount of players we always have (of which
about 50 is bots =/ at best) but might turn down whole continuum because
of our boring looking pub map.

First thing we should do is make it look cooler, and you can do this without
lowering FPS too much for even crappier computers.

I liked the idea of bringing bots to pubs and giving more reasons for players
to go for the flag, but it needs improvement. What is a teamleader anyway?
More new ideas! The bots could print out a list of players with most kills that
round, best points, etc flag takes... like several other zones have.

Reason why I'm talking about EG is that it managed to get a lot of players
eventhough it came later than TW, DSB and other lame SVS zones, and the
reason for it was that they had a innovative map creator and fast paced pub.
Had SSCC Metal Gear CTF appeared sooner they would now be having as
much players as EG or DSB because today's players want eyecandy, but we
aren't getting so many new players to this game anymore so Metal Gear isn't
among the top 3 zones though I could bet that they will become a 200 ppl
zone within a year.

We mustn't think as old pubbers, we play a big part as introducing newcomers
to this game so we need to think about that too, and not just about who
has the flag. "

it's provocative for a reason

[dads revenge]

Why not try using some of the ?go preview maps for the weekend and giving them a real change rather than an event map that can be hosted?

Or as I have said in the past a competition for a new pub map 1 month to submit maps and a new one every weekend with a grading system based of playability - design - Gfx and so on . A new map would stop some of the lameness new players go through when they first enter the zone {nobody wants to die 8 times straight from the same idiot and be ridiculed in the public chat for it} too many people know all the shots and all the angles because the pub map is over 6 years old.

[genocidal]

I don't think anyone in the pub committee actually wants all 8 ships to be "basing ships". That idea came from others in the thread about the levi setting adjustments, and people started thinking that's what we were trying to do. I don't think it's a realistic goal, nor would it do much to attract and retain new players.

I was responding to Kolar and what he said they were going to do (or maybe just what he wanted).

[Rinse]

Wow, this is exactly what I like to see. I'm willing to dedicate a good portion of my time to help make this happen though out of what you listed I could do the FAQ/Tileset. I'm off all weekend so I'll see what I can do.

[Kolar]

I was responding to Kolar and what he said they were going to do (or maybe just what he wanted).

Moot, TK and the rest of the TW Public Committee can tell you what "they" are going to do. I've made my position clear concerning publics in other threads. I am a member but I haven't had the time lately to read or discuss anything with them.

[Chao.]

I'm not sure how you're going to change the map without a lot of people complaining about it, (I do believe on the whole players would appreciate a change) there seem to be some people who have to find something to bitch about or they'd go insane.

[Hakaku]

essay name: Operation TW

3 developping thesis:
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In conclusion: that was my conclusion... that and the top of base is missing.

*Ibid or something: red=thinking

[bounty]

I play in pub arenas all the time! Since 2001 actually and i favor the arenas that levi are allowed in. Beleive it or not there is a big LT following out there keeping the bombs flying

[Sumpson]

Stop blindly screwing around with the ship settings so much. Every time something is changed, it seems to piss off people more than anything else.

2b) Consider the idea of permanently changing the pub map.

Don't consider the idea of permanently changing the pub map please.




I have brougt up an idea for pub a while ago to get the public arena's more competitive with a clear goal.

I have discussed the idea with Pure_Luck and many other upper staff, it was agreed on, a bot coder would code the new pub bot, there have been some problems with the bot coders and it never got finnished.

I think all Pub needs is the idea to pull trough, yes this might sound arrogant, but I wouldn't suggest it if I didn't believe in it.

[Chao.]

Don't consider the idea of permanently changing the pub map please.

You say it like something much better can't be made and tested.

[Sumpson]

You say it like something much better can't be made and tested.

Yes I like the map, it's perfect to me, this is excactly why I choose to play Trench Wars, and ofcourse the reason why I don't want it to change.
You can change it to a better map, but it won't attract new players, it will make those who like the current map and don't feel like adapting leave tho.

[Chao.]

it's perfect to me

Hmm?

but it won't attract new players

I disagree.

[Reaver]

If you want to update the current tileset, fine, but why mess with the traditional map? The players that enjoy playing publics with little experience or alot of experience know shots whether it's jav or spider or whatever. So why change it? It's like messing with tradition, if it isn't broke why fix it?
Ok, put yourself in the position of someone that just started playing the game for the first time. You get put into one of the lower pubs since pub 0 (purepub) is packed. Guess what, it only has 10 or 15 people in it. Can you imagine how much of a downer this is to the new player? This is a serious problem and it needs to be fixed. We need to be catering to the new player and leaving a little more responsibility to the more experienced players to get into the proper pub they want to be in. Take pure pubs and put them in the lower pubs to see how popular they really are, but also to have everyone that enters go into pub 0 (not being a purepub) when they enter the game, unless it's filled.

[dads revenge]

so if there is a better faster computer you can get free with light speed internet {aka something better} you would keep your current one and deal with your crappy connection cmon ppl move with the times and get a grip the old theory of "I dont wanna change" went out when the term [software update] came into play. so if you like the old stuff get a 250hrz with a 28.8 modem and play pinball all day we have the ability to become something newer and better so lets grab it with both hands rip its dress off and enjoy it till we wear it out.

[Sumpson]

so if there is a better faster computer you can get free with light speed internet {aka something better} you would keep your current one and deal with your crappy connection cmon ppl move with the times and get a grip the old theory of "I dont wanna change" went out when the term [software update] came into play. so if you like the old stuff get a 250hrz with a 28.8 modem and play pinball all day we have the ability to become something newer and better so lets grab it with both hands rip its dress off and enjoy it till we wear it out.

why are you still playing this game? it's old!
damn im not liking all this, if I want to play something different I would play a different zone.