Please, make the weasel small again.

[Mootland Farmer]

Sorry, but these are very weak arguments. No other ships can shoot through the holes either, going by your analogy ikpt. Sumspon, you're just glad to have another opportunity to jump on my ass, spouting garbage. I don't think I have ruined the Cloaker's uniqueness. It is still the only ship that can become invisible entirely. It doesn't have the ability to duel Warbirds, nor easily take down the ship it was supposed to be weak against. And the Javelin teamkilling is easily fixed. Simply introduce Leviathans back in.

[Jean-Philippe]

Bah, why bother, the way you're handling this Mootland, you're basically just inviting people to shout at you until either you give up and change your mind in frustration, or the noise die down and you win. I don't want to do that to you man, so just forget I asked.

New map look's promising for the big weasel, we'll see how it plays out.

[Mootland Farmer]

The Weasel was changed because it was far too overpowered. We have brought it down to what it was several years ago, in an attempt to level it with other ships. This is still a test remember.

The size of the Weasel depends on a few factors. Two of which I can think of at the moment are that of a new base, and that of basing games in Publics.

This Weasel does provide tactical gameplay. I tried cloaking in Public 0, I could still get the flag, not with ease, but by rocketing in at the right time, using my repel either to deflect bullets away, or from enemy touching flag. I also got the Base Terrier a few times too. I also cleared the entrance to flagroom. If there was one ship defending one side of the line, I killed that guy too, giving my team a clear side to go into flagroom. What I am saying, while the Weasel has been toned down, it still has its uses.

[PH]

I guess this proves it. Asking the average public player to utilize basic strategy is like asking a toddler to memorize Hamlet. They can't grasp the idea of their precious weasel being forced to use the same playing field as everyone else. It's a damn shame that we lose players because of their own stubborn ways.

[ikpt]

Sorry, but these are very weak arguments. No other ships can shoot through the holes either, going by your analogy ikpt. Sumspon, you're just glad to have another opportunity to jump on my ass, spouting garbage. I don't think I have ruined the Cloaker's uniqueness. It is still the only ship that can become invisible entirely. It doesn't have the ability to duel Warbirds, nor easily take down the ship it was supposed to be weak against. And the Javelin teamkilling is easily fixed. Simply introduce Leviathans back in.

It doesn't have the ability to duel warbirds. It doesn't have the ability to easily take down a Terrier. It also doesn't have the ability to sneak into flagroom. A Terrier says "x", and there's only ONE place it can be coming from to enter the flagroom. You say you want the Weasel to be an assassin? Simply cloaking doesn't make it an assassin. Allowing it to enter through the holes adds a level of assassin-like qualities, in that it could come in from anywhere, at any time. Oh but it has a repel. And a rocket. Yep, it must be an assassin already.

Sure, introduce Leviathans so instead of Javelin teamkilling, we have Leviathan teamkilling. How incompetent are you, really?

[ikpt]

I guess this proves it. Asking the average public player to utilize basic strategy is like asking a toddler to memorize Hamlet. They can't grasp the idea of their precious weasel being forced to use the same playing field as everyone else. It's a damn shame that we lose players because of their own stubborn ways.

Rather, the people who used to cry out "change the weasel to big size so it can't come in through roof. It ruins our cram!", are actually the people who can't utilize basic strategy. What a coincidence those aren't pubbers...

[Mootland Farmer]

It doesn't have the ability to duel warbirds. It doesn't have the ability to easily take down a Terrier. It also doesn't have the ability to sneak into flagroom. A Terrier says "x", and there's only ONE place it can be coming from to enter the flagroom. You say you want the Weasel to be an assassin? Simply cloaking doesn't make it an assassin. Allowing it to enter through the holes adds a level of assassin-like qualities, in that it could come in from anywhere, at any time. Oh but it has a repel. And a rocket. Yep, it must be an assassin already.

For the first part of your paragraph, were you playing a different zone? Letting the Weasel creep through holes and shoot fast Level 1 multifire bullets surely makes it a killing machine.

Sure, introduce Leviathans so instead of Javelin teamkilling, we have Leviathan teamkilling. How incompetent are you, really?

I'm very incompetent. Thanks for asking. Leviathans get rid of Javelins because they like to hang around walls, and well Leviathan + walls, I think you get it. The Leviathan's blast was reduced, so I would imagine teamkilling would be slightly lower.

Rather, the people who used to cry out "change the weasel to big size so it can't come in through roof. It ruins our cram!", are actually the people who can't utilize basic strategy. What a coincidence those aren't pubbers...

Yes, because there is so much cram action going on in Public at the moment. I think people were complaining because of the single tile Warbirds were pretty much dominant over any other ship. I suppose I can see where you see that helps basing, oh...

[PH]

Who said anything about cramming? Certainly not me.

It's just ridiculous to allow one ship to move around the map in ways that no other ship can. Bouncing bombs is one thing, but when a ship itself can go through small holes it just throws everything out of whack. Now that it faces the same map restrictions as the rest of the ships, everyone that abused the small weasel to no end is crying foul. This is just a test, so stop getting your panties in a twist.

[Pummel]

[Iguana Bob]

If having the small X get into base through the holes is a major problem then you either dont base much or have very crappy ters/lancs/sharks/javs on your team. It is really really easy to kill a small x and its only real defense was to dodge. Face it you wanted to increase basing and the large x is worthless for basing. When it was small it was a wild card and could change the game by slipping in and killing the terr(after dying quite a few times), now it is only good for going on a private freq and killing in spawn. And WTF putting levs in does not stop jav tks it only makes it so levs tk their team too(they wont just kill the enemy jav you know).

And if thrust shot is the only problem then FIX IT and leave the rest the hell alone.

[PH]

The problem wasn't so much single small weasels as it was the flocks of them that constantly overran the flagroom. A terr MAY have had an adequate chance at defending against one, but when multiple sets of three pretty fast L3 bullets came flying at him he was pretty much going down. And that just wasn't right. Moot made it right, and now the minority is trying to outwhine the majority. We dealt with your garbage for two years, now shut the fuck up and let the testing phase finish before you continue crying.

[Iguana Bob]

We dealt with your garbage for two years

Sounds like someone has issues about being killed by those "way overpowered little ships" killing everything and no one could kill them because they were invisible. If you had any problem with an X being way too overpowered then you are just a crappy player. There are way too many ways to counter an X and Xs only have a limited amount of tricks up their sleeves. And terrs do have this mystical thing called portal as a counter. Besides it is nearly impossible to use thrust shot in an enemy base. And flocks of Xs? There are way more javs(maybe 4-6 on EACH team) in a basing game with only 2-4 Xs on BOTH sides.

[Blueblaze]

Leave X big if its going to have instant kill bullets. I wouldn't mind small Xs who used Level 2 bullets though.

[Sumpson]

now the minority is trying to outwhine the majority.

First the minority outwhines the majority and gets a small weasel, then the minority outwhines the majority to get the big weasel, then the minority trys to outwhine the majority to get the small weasel back.

just stop this shipsets changing bullshit, we all choose to play here because of it.

[Jean-Philippe]

I love how everyone here just lose his cool over this. Seriously I don't think all that disrespect is justified. Is a little tolerance for someone with a diverging opinion really too much to ask for? Gawd, I sound old.

I'm just thankful I'm not part of a staff which has to make decisions based on that sort of "debate". :P