Distension Beta Suggestions/Bugfix thread

[Peace_Maker]

maddack read previous posts before posting to be current on distension activity. Weasel was over powered with those abilities so early. Terrier and shark need those upgrades to be able to kill and upgrade again.

[hak]

Distension Beta

Shrapnel: Haven't tested it yet, if it's about 2.5x as fast as before, it should be fine. The damage increase should help on the one-hit-kills. I'll test them when the bot arrives.

Shrapnel is fine right now, thank you for that.

Regards,

Hakkinen B)

[gdugwyler]

Thanks very much for the look into rotation, HAK. I was thinking along the same lines.

D1st's right about the 40 degrees of rotation each representative of 9 degrees in a 360-degree circle. Rotation in the CFG is defined around the numeric baseline of rotation speed 400 allowing a ship to rotate a full 40 degree circle in 1 second. 40 total degrees would mean 4 degrees every hundredth of a second (most things are defined in hundredths of a second in the CFG), or 1 degree every 25ms. After that it gets a bit dodgy.

Unfortunately it can't be calculated by percentages alone, as that's the relation of present rotation between Terrier:InitialRotation and Terrier:MaximumRotation, varying from arena to arena rather than being any constant value. But it can definitely be calculated by the CFG values for these items.

Here are some interesting results, some a bit strange... I've marked the initial, max and upgrade amounts for rotation, upgrade being the amount added per prize, and whether or not the rotation problem showed up. A ?go was done after doing ?sets for a particular test to ensure there were no residual problems.

Initial   Max   Upg       Problematic?
240       300   60        N
180       300   60        Y
120       300   60        Y
100       300   50        Y
250       300   50        N
250       350   50        Y
250       400   50        Slightly? (maybe less, maybe not)
300       500   50        Slightly?
300       500   100       Slightly?

Fairly discouraging. So far I haven't found a test case that works over more than one step of upgrade. In many of these cases, I used the default Terrier rotation used in almost every TW arena, 300, as the Max -- at the very least I made sure that every single case would at some point hit the 300 rotation that seems to work in a normal arena for a Terr. But even when rotation was at 300 due to the prizing, the Terr wouldn't respond in the same way in which would a Terr that starts (and ends) at 300 naturally.

This leads me to believe that there's something seriously amiss with the way SS adds on rotation with prizes, though it looks as if some cases (the one step as far as I could tell) don't cause problems. It may still be something related to degrees adding on in a certain way, but it appears that Subspace is trying to tell us that 300 does not equal 300 -- i.e., division by zero, end of interwebs, etc...

Ideas? Any help is appreciated.

[Foreign]

I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but I've been aware of the odd rotation prizing in ?go super for a long time, and I am led to believe it is an inherent bug in the game (just as you said, in the way rotation is prized). Unless you can find a way to give the same ship different configurations dynamically without prizing (bleh!), I don't think it will be solved without a client update.

On another note, have you thought of building a stats website for distension? It would attract a lot of attention for the players. Also, do you currently track and save individual game stats, or only player RP and upgrades? If it's not too taxing for the server, it would be awesome to be able to track and save the details of each game played so stats nuts like me could go and compare themselves to everyone else Maybe this was mentioned before, I just don't have time right now to look

[HateTheFake]

Had the lagout problem again came back within 20 secs
I got disconnected with server and then

Hate The F> !lagout
Distension> Please !return before you try getting back in.
Hate The F> !return
Distension> HATE THE FAKE authorized as a pilot of PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF MISANTHROPY. Returning you to HQ.
Hate The F> !pilot 3
Distension> Progress: 190 / 2824 (2634 to Rank 17) [= ] 6%
BATTLE 3 ENDED: People's Republic of Misanthropy gains control of the sector after 18:41. Battles won: 3 to 0
Total Victory Award: 15339RP ... Avg 958RP for 6 on support (37%); avg 532RP for 18 on attack (62%)
Distension> 138RP for the victory (20% participation)!
Lead Defense: Anidalife [3 breaks] ... Lead Assault: Chao <ER> [6 holds]

[Jeenyuss]

hi, some of you might recognize me as a terrier, shark, or possibly even spider from ip inc. since the beginning of november i've won maybe seven battles. maybe.

what i'm suggesting is mixing shit up every week. like there's a reset in pubs, i think there should be a resetting of teams every week or every two weeks.

[Peace_Maker]

30 secs to return from a game after a lagout? That is a long time since the game can be over within one minute. I was terring a base today and lagged out. Team lost the room but luckily we still had upper base. The 30 secs to return from a lagout to recieve full credit at the end of the round is too long. Ten seconds sounds good to me. Any other opinions?

[Aquatiq]

the humiliation for me is brutal, as a rank 30 wb i get -10 when a rank 19 kills me. hopefully at least the humiliation will be toned down proportionately to the beta bonus in the full release? (example: with 3x beta bonus now, if the game were to be released now and i died as a rank 30 to a rank 19 i'd only lose 3.33333 RP in same situation (3 or 4 depending how you round it)? i know it's what comes with being a high rank but i was completely surprised that humiliation kept going up rather than being capped at say 15 or so, or half my current rank (which makes more sense than getting humiliation for dying to a rank 19 who by now has become a predator themselves)

[Spider]

I thought distension didn't official exist *wink wink nudge nudge*

[Chao.]

the humiliation for me is brutal, as a rank 30 wb i get -10 when a rank 19 kills me. hopefully at least the humiliation will be toned down proportionately to the beta bonus in the full release? (example: with 3x beta bonus now, if the game were to be released now and i died as a rank 30 to a rank 19 i'd only lose 3.33333 RP in same situation (3 or 4 depending how you round it)? i know it's what comes with being a high rank but i was completely surprised that humiliation kept going up rather than being capped at say 15 or so, or half my current rank (which makes more sense than getting humiliation for dying to a rank 19 who by now has become a predator themselves)

Uh...maybe i've missed something here...do support ships get humiliation as well? I've recently turned off killmsgs but even when they were on I didn't see it happening.

[Peace_Maker]

Aqua my rank 27 spider has recieved atleast -52 RP when being killed. I do not think there is a limit unless it has been added in the past week. Chao even with kill messages off humiliation messages still appear or have so for me in the past. I have not noticed them while playing terr. I agree with Forgein, I would like to see a stats page up as well but I would rather have the game fully opperational over seeing a stats website.

[hak]

Rotation Speed

This leads me to believe that there's something seriously amiss with the way SS adds on rotation with prizes, though it looks as if some cases (the one step as far as I could tell) don't cause problems. It may still be something related to degrees adding on in a certain way, but it appears that Subspace is trying to tell us that 300 does not equal 300 -- i.e., division by zero, end of interwebs, etc...

Ideas? Any help is appreciated.

I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but I've been aware of the odd rotation prizing in ?go super for a long time, and I am led to believe it is an inherent bug in the game (just as you said, in the way rotation is prized). Unless you can find a way to give the same ship different configurations dynamically without prizing (bleh!), I don't think it will be solved without a client update.

Just a random thought that popped into my mind while reading that: Is it not possible the prizes don't increase your total rotation speed, but your current?

For instance, your Terrier has 50% rotation speed. You then *prize 50% rotation speed. Is there any certainty on whether your new rotation speed will be a) 75% [50%+(50%*50%)] or b) 100%[50%+50%]?

This could possibly cause unnatural rotation speeds. I strongly doubt this is the case though, since I reckon a game developer would have thought this through thoroughly. Tell me what you think though. Meanwhile, I'll give this puzzle another thought.


EDIT: There is in fact a third option c). Since the *prizes look as following: "Rotation speed increased. (xx%)", suggested is that the percentage xx% upgrade is your end percentage, not the increase percentage. This means both a) and b) are wrong.
Evidence:

• Recharge:22% Thruster:100% Speed:66% Rotation:50% Shrapnel:0
• Rotation speed increased. (66%)
• Recharge:22% Thruster:100% Speed:66% Rotation:66% Shrapnel:0

This was tested in ?go super. I am uncertain whether this works the same in Distension, but I think you, G.Dugwyler can find out.


Regards,

Hakkinen B)

[HateTheFake]

Aquatiq the humilation should be the same. When i was a level 19 wb the humiliation was worth more then the kills, so i did what any smart person would do i went to other ships, which happen to gain levels super fast, now i got 7 10+ rank ships and 1 27 ranked wb. Why try to get 10000 rp for your next up instead go to something else and when everyone in the arena is around the same level you were switch back, and it will be surprisingly easier to rank up.


Also is this spose to happen?
Distension> -=( RANK UP! )=- You are now a RANK 20 Terrier pilot.
Distension> Next rank in 3057 RP. Earned 1 !upgrade point for the !armory.
Distension> -=( RANK UP! )=- You are now a RANK 20 Terrier pilot.
Distension> Next rank in 2895 RP. Earned 1 !upgrade point for the !armory.

Also:
WARNING: Disconnected from server (no data)
Hate The F> !lagout
Distension> You'll be placed back on your army in 30 seconds. You may manually !pilot a ship before this time, but you will lose your participation.
Distension> Error getting back in with that ship! Please contact a mod.

[Malladrin]

I dont know if this has been posted before...

Today when I played I had some packetloss problems for some reason. Anyways, the bot started ignoring me (not prizing me) so I had to relogin and !return, !lagout. However, the !lagout didn't work and I got told I should contact a mod.

Not implemented yet or some bug? It wasn't just once, but like 4 times and every time it said something like "there is a problem, contact a mod"

[Chao.]

Please remove the tiles which prevent us from mining the flag, that's an ancient defense and anyone who cant get around it doesn't need to be playing a basing-oriented event.