?go base stats

[Randedl]

well, i woke up at 7am for some reason today, played on msn for a bit and sat alt-tabbed in ?go base.

then i got really bored and started looking at the stats for my squadmembers in twd and i put two and two together.

mythrandir was playing in ?go base at the time (the crazy guy gets mvp in a terr) and i remembered how, a few months ago, he had posted statistics (every possible one you could think of) for ?go base. so i asked him if it was possible to get those done again. . .

he said it'd be pretty simple, he already has them, but that there is some resistance to the idea. . .

i asked what kind of resistance and the argument that came up is that people don't want ?go base turning into a rec-oriented game resembling what we have in our elim arenas.

i can see where this argument comes from, but i think that people should have more faith in their fellow players. ?go base gets the turnout and popularity that it does because people aren't interested in their statistics. it's a base game, people want their team of 8 people, including themselves, to succeed. and the only way a team wins is through teamwork, not individual showboating. i mean, i warbird alot in base games, and, though it is pretty easy to get a record greater than 1:1 or alot more points by picking off stray spiders, i usually end up with a worse record and fewer points because i focus on killing the red ship (maybe this is a bad example, but it's what came to mind).

it's my honest belief that the majority of people who play in ?go base are knowing enough not to let the game get ruined by becomming a "stat-focussed" environment.

personally, i would like to have stats, similar to those posted on the forums a little while back, available. this could either be done as it was in the past, posted once in a while, or, if somebody had the spare time and urge, maybe a website and game tracker similar to the elim links in the trench wars main page has.

i think having player statistics is a nice feature for any game. it's a good read when you're bored, and sometimes you just like to see how you do match up against others. furthermore, i'm a horrible captain in base games, i don't think i have won yet with a team i picked. i may not be a 100% baser, but i enjoy it. this said, and i know there are people like me out there, when i am given captain for a game or whatever, i automatically give it to somebody else, i ruin games, i don't know who to pick in what ship and i don't want my team to suffer because of it. i don't have a huge desire to be a captain, but i'm sure other people do, and having statistics available for their research, if they so chose, could be a real help in chosing a better team.

one more thought that comes to mind supporting statistics being published (this one being accredited to my being a squad leader) is that there are three prominant leagues in trench wars. warbirds, javs, and base. i think it is safe to say that the majority of squads focus on the former two before the latter when recruiting and playing games. this is something i do as well, i admit, and i will continue to do it. this said however, i would still love to see my squad do well in the basing league. however, it is impossible to be well informed on a player's skill level or potential in all three, there are just too many players and too many leagues. i know they shouldn't be taken too seriously, but i use elim records as a loose guideline when taking warbird or jav players into consideration, it's just a huge help. i think that ?go base statistics would help out in the same way when recruiting basers. this said, and i admit that i could be wrong, i believe that the skill level, on average, of all squads interested in basing would go up a little bit if squad leaders were able to see who does well in basing scenarios. again, ?go base isn't the same as a twlb game, but it can be used as a loose reference point. i'm a fan of competition in leagues, i would rather be in a league where every team can compete, than in a league where my squad would just dominate, hands down. if the average skill level of basing teams went up from the availability of statistics, i think we would start to see a more competative twbd and twlb, from the bottom of the standings to the top.

when i mentioned something about ?go base players usually being "veteran enough" (i forget what word i used, it wasn't veteran because i hate the word, but whatever, i'll use it here) to not ruin games over stats, miau mentioned that ?go base isn't just for vets, that it's a place for newer players to play, practice and get noticed. my original thought was that there are only 16 players per game, and the captains want to see their team win. this is mind, common sense says that they will obviously pick the best 8 players (7 plus themself usually) they can, neglecting the newer, less known players. however, if the new players do get in, i agree with miau. ?go base should be a place for them to get noticed and practice. and i do think that publishing stats would help them get noticed.

this was a very long winded post, it's been in the process for over an hour with msn chiming off to distract me, but this is my argument. feedbackm for or against, concerning the apparant "debate" is very welcome.

[Pio]

Agreed

I asked Myth a similar question earlier today, he said yes but it was opposed by majority of the public. I think that having stats is a good thing, you can see how you compare to other players, see what ship is your best and what is not. Also you can see your average w:l in all the ships which is something i am more focused on looking at.

Anyways, I think this a good idea, as they are already doing this in the TWD league and i see no opposition to the stats in there being displayed, so why not here?

[Acid Tank]

You can use practise arenas...
(Didn't read the whole story)

[Randedl]

Originally posted by Acid Tank
You can use practise arenas...
(Didn't read the whole story)

it shows, cuz that made no sense. . .

[Dim]

I think stats might start to make people think they are better than others. (not in skill, but as a person)

Then you get all the "newbie" calling.

[Louis XV]

In response to what rand said about the majority of squads placing more importance on wbs and javs when recruiting: I don't think that's true anymore. Or if it is the majority, just barely.

[Verthanthi]

1. If people started using stats for picking, basing would become even more closed. People will become loath to chose people with bad stats. The people who make shitty teams are usually just picking their close buddies. The people who just don't know who to pick (For example, you) are usually smart enough to pass it on. If you play enough, you get an idea of what ship people are good in.

2. Recruiting: Stats don't take into account a player's style. Some people are good enough to play on any squad and rock, but most play better with one style. I'd never be succesful on camisade because I hate cramming. wadi is a good shark, but he's excellent for wr. BobR might be a good jav if he had decent people surronding him who could carry on a battle while he wanders around in lower. Ad naseum. Also, It's true there are a helluva lot of players. However, for whatever reason, compared to the number of people who base, few also duel/jav. If you can't get a good jav/wb/baser, you take what you get, and then teach them the other aspects. It's not all that hard to go from one to another.

3. And as far as ?go basers being "vetran" (I think the word you're looking for is "mature"?) enough not to turn it into a stats game, they aren't. Most have huge egos.

[Yojo]

Those stats mean nothing at all. 75% of the time teams are so lobsided that it ends up as though one team cannot even get in base. Being judgmental of those stats can make even the best player look like someone horrible.

[ZeUs!!]

Originally posted by Louis XV
In response to what rand said about the majority of squads placing more importance on wbs and javs when recruiting: I don't think that's true anymore. Or if it is the majority, just barely.

HE POSTED SOMETHING THAT MADE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Da1andonly]

Lou rules! And he stands correct, too.

[Stabwound]

Actually, it would be an interesting read if Myth posted the stats once and a while, but I'm still kinda out on the idea of having realtime stats on the net somewhere.

[Machine of God]

I made a post about this a few weeks ago and I agree totally.

[Randedl]

Verthanthi


there are countless people who play ?go base. i don't think anybody has the time or patience or motivation to check the stats of every individual player, people know who are good basers for the most part, and if they don't, alot of the picking is done according to what squad they are on. i think that exactly the opposite would happen, if a guy from a squad that doesn't base alot plays a few games and does well, and people can see this, he'll get in there more i'd like to believe.

yer second point could or could not be wrong. if you are correct it takes away from the reasons to incorporate stats, but it doesn't really offer any reason why not to, if you catch what i'm saying.

the third point, after a few games those players would just stop getting picked.

this is all speculation as there's no real history to look back on and compare it to, but this is my attempt.

if the stats mean nothing, then it's not hurting any1 to put them in anyways, they are still an interesting read aren't they?

and maybe lou, maybe not. but i see alot more squads in twdd than twbd, and, from what i can tell, most "tryouts" that happen are warbird duels to 10

[bloodzombie]

I agree with stabwound.. I'd like to see stats posted completely irregularly whenever myth thinks it seems like a fun thing to do. real time stats would probably ruin it, but it's fun to look back on the past few months and see how good or bad you played.

[Facetious]

Originally posted by ZeUs!!
HE POSTED SOMETHING THAT MADE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He always makes sense.